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Re: Our Plans
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2009, 21:02 »
Don't scatter pellets !  They will get wet and go mouldy they will encourage rats and the mouldy feed will make the chickens ill !

Use feeders and drinker and keep them scrupulously clean.

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« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2009, 21:05 »
This type of thing  http://www.smallholdershop.co.uk/feedersdrinkers.html

but shop around for best prices.

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« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2009, 21:09 »
They only cost about a fiver each for plastic ones that will last a few years if kept out of bad weather and direct sun.

Water will quickly get knocked over and filled with dirt if uncovered and they need a lot of water.

It is possible to put a short length of guttering along the fence, under cover, for holding the pellets, like a sort of trough, but a proper feeder is better and will cost little more.

Rob 8)

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« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2009, 21:17 »
feeders seem to be very cheap indeed so thats what i will go for :)


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« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2009, 21:50 »
hi, im very new to chicken keeping myself. i have had 6 ex-batts for nearly a month now. ive seen the results of what happens when the birds do not get proper nutrition, and its not good i can tell you.Dont shy away from the pellets. As our girls had sadly been de-beaked, and were only used to mash, we started them on an organic mash, and have been slowly changing them to a specialised ex-batt pellet food that has the extra things needed to help these girls recover quicker.i know the old way of farming was just to scatter whatever scraps you had left, and a lot of old timers will tell you stories of how chickens eat everything etc etc, but thankfully things have moved on , and we now know more about nutrition and well being of chickens. i do believe some of it may be hype put out by food manufacturers, but its our responsibility to look after the welfare of our animals.As regards laying, your hens will lay as and when they are ready, no matter how much pressure you do, or dont put on them!, i have one in very poor condition that i want to stop laying and put some energy into recovering from the factory....but no...she just keeps on laying, so i have to try my best for her and give her suppliments to try and keep her strength up. the pellets dont make them lay, they help replace the energy/calcium/vitamins/minerals that they use up during the laying period of their lives.why dont you have a google for organic chicken food, and see whats available, it really is better for your girls f they have the proper food. good luck with them anyway....im sure your gonna love having chickens, they make fab pets, and are sooo funny. take care x

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« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2009, 21:52 »
I applaud anyone who is looking for a healthier and more self-sufficent way if life, and I presume that you are looking at poultry for eggs and meat? I must say, however there is a lot more to it than meets the eye!

Feeding chickens is a very interesting subject, as humans we have been keeping chickens for domestic purposes in India since 3200BC, well if you include cock fighting! The orignial chicken Gallus Gallus or Red Jungle Fowl which still can be found and originates in Asia. The diet of Jungle Fowl ( this is the bird that all domestic varieties of poultry originates from) is mainly seeds and insects which they forage for in a largely wooded enviroment. This is why even today, our domestic poultry is happier if shade and somewhere to hide is provided, it is very unnatural to let hens roam in a completely open enviroment.

The orignial Jungle Fowl however,is a far cry from the engineered varieties of hybrid seen today, and, this fact is very important when considering diet. Rather like comparing the dietary needs of a sumo wrestler and someone in their nineties!

Sadly, with the emergence of our comsumer demand for cheaper and cheaper  eggs has meant the "super efficent" egg laying machine has evolved, and with it, the scientific diet. In short, if the incorrect ratio of minerals, calcium and protein are given  to the egg producing machines ie hybrids, then serious egg-laying problems commonly occur, some hybrids are just not able to produce eggs on a typical diet of scraps,indeed there is nothing more nutritious than an egg! However due to hormone levels they don't just stop laying, as they are actually programmed to lay early, compared to older breeds, and,this is the time where the awful and often fatal  consequences are discovered, from internal laying to poor egg bound hens, and diseases like fatty liver syndrome. This is why the advice with hybrid breeds produced nowadays is to be careful with diet, there are very old pure breeds around which will happily forage, they will not lay half as many eggs as the "designer" birds, but the diet will not need to be so critical either.

In the early post war days, it was the rough and ready older pure breds in the back yards, the good hens were selected for breeding, and these strains were continued, you would never breed from a hen that prolapsed or didn't lay for example! and often kept through to their second year and then they were chicken soup! It was a far cry from how hens are bred today - days old sent to breeders to rear and then sold on. The colour and "prettiness" being the deciding factor, and of course the 300+ eggs per year!

So how many eggs a year did our old Jungle Fowl lay a year?????


Answers on a post card please! ;) :D :D

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« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2009, 21:58 »
Hiya guys thanks for sharing your experiences

we arent going for designer chickens, would be nice to get maybe two eggs a week from each, maybe three...

I will be feeding them pellets, but also feeding them scraps as i cant see how years of chicken keepers can be totally wrong, it might not be the best thing in the world for them but still, they seemed to enjoy it when i was a girl and gave my aunts chickens scraps from the table :)

Thanks for the advice though guys, this is just what i was looking for xx

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« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2009, 22:04 »
i'm afraid i only want the best in the world for my hens.........................

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dizzylizzie

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« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2009, 22:19 »
remember tho, your aunt let you feed them scraps , but as an adult probably took responsibility for feeding them properly when you either wernt there or being a young child you probably didnt notice her doing all the responsible things like feeding, cleaning, etc. M other half didnt know i cleaned the oven  till a few months ago, cos he'd never seen me do it, it never occured to him that i did do it.! same thing really...you were just a child feeding scraps to your aunties chucks...you probably never saw the 'proper' care that they had to keep them healthy. Funny how everyone becomes an expert when you mention chucks....especially some of the older generation because they remember having them as a child, or knew someone who had them! Chikens are live animals that depend on their owners to do enough research to get it right for them. Their welfare depends on us! take care  :)

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« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2009, 22:32 »
Have a look at Solways too, we buy all our feeders and drinkers from them.

http://www.solwayfeeders.com/ProductsResultsList1.asp?cat=4

http://www.solwayfeeders.com/ProductsResultsList1.asp?cat=8

I'd forget about nipple drinkers too.  Why did you decide you wanted them?  How would you fix it up to the water tank?  Nipple drinkers are usually used on commercial farms in multiples.  You don't generally have just one of them.

I do hope you look after your chickens properly Feeb.  As you will find out, many of us on here only have the chooks interests at heart.

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« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2009, 22:37 »
i plan to look after them very well :)  what would be the point of getting them otherwise?  but i am aware that an animal such as a chicken has a purpose in this case, eggs and eventually probably meat too

I will look after them well because i will get the best eggs from them that way, i will feed them shells and food scraps whilst giving them pellets and lots of love :)

this site has been very informative thank you :)

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dizzylizzie

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« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2009, 22:38 »
thats a good site grannie....cheaper than where i got mine from. :D

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« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2009, 22:52 »


I will be feeding them pellets, but also feeding them scraps as i cant see how years of chicken keepers can be totally wrong

Well done Feeb, glad you've decided to feed pellets too.

Scraps are fine to supplement in the afternoon - so long as they're the right scraps and only supplements. Pellets contain all the necessary grains & nutrients and must form the vast bulk of their diet to allow healthy birds and be available all day for them to take as much as they want/need.
Cooked vegetable peelings, greens, pasta, rice etc are fine - in limitation and with no salt/sugar added. Unfortunately their systems are much more delicate than dogs', and we have to be very wary what scraps and leftovers we offer.

Your hens will lay to some extent whatever you feed them - the reason for pellets isn't to make them lay - they contain no magic "laying" ingredient (unfortunately!) :D - they are just balanced and contain everything a hen needs.  If you don't provide this proper balance by feeding just scraps, your hens will fall ill. Whether they lay or not, they will be malnourished and suffer.

And not just that - as with anything, you only get out what you put in. To have nice healthy, tasty eggs for your family, your hens must be healthy and eating a balanced diet.

Please do feed them properly to guarantee their well-being, Feeb. And all the very best - don't mean to nag, just trying to help  ;)
Make sure to share photos when you get them!!


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« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2009, 23:08 »
other half didnt know i cleaned the oven  till a few months ago, cos he'd never seen me do it, it never occured to him that i did do it.

That tickled me  :D
My kids thought I never take a bath, since I always have my bath after they're in bed  :D 
I'm SO glad one of them recently told me and I was able to set that straight  :D

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« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2009, 23:30 »
thats a good site grannie....cheaper than where i got mine from. :D

I've got no commercial interest in solway Feeders Dizzie, but I think some places charge horrendous prices for their feeders and other stuff. 

also Solways are farmers themselves and know their products.  If you have any questions, you can phone them and someone will know the answer.  Delivery is usually very quick too unless they ae out of stock of something. Sometimes if I order early enough in the day, the stuff arrives the next day!



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