[ANHBUC]

Hi I thought it destroyed most things including cocci cysts, I have tons of it as I used to use it when we kept horses a few yrs ago, but I have never looked at poultry side of disinfectant (its a lot cheaper than the Bio-cyst so I hope it does- Will check the tub tomorrow and see what it says about poultry . 

I really thought it was just a disinfectant but after your post did a search and found this

www.protekta.ca/pdfs/stalosan_summary.pdf

1. Setting a new standard
Stalosan F is an alternative and unique way to control bacteria, viruses,
fungi, parasites, fly-larvae, ammonia, moisture and litter quality in animal
housing.
Regular addition of Stalosan F stabilises the microbial flora and chemical
balance of the litter and thereby creates a natural and healthy animal
environment during the entire course of the animal production period.
Even hard to kill parasites including coccidia oocysts and round worm eggs
can be controlled by regular addition of Stalosan F.
Stalosan F can be used as a treatment of existing problems with very good
results, but the real cost beneficial value comes from continuous use as a
prophylaxis.
Stalosan F has proved to be effective when it comes to keeping several
diseases under control including lawsonia, diarrhoea, mastitis, salmonella
infections etc.

2. Animals
Stalosan F can be used for all domestic animals and pets
Pigs Poultry
Cattle Sheep
Goats Horses
Furred animals Rabbits
Camels Dogs
Cats .....and many more!

I love this Forum as I learn something new nearly every week.  I already have Stalosan F which I use in the poultry runs and coops.  I will be using it on the "bog garden" tomorrow.   :blink:

[kyz1981]

Thanks so much that's really good to hear, and its so much cheaper- have brought a small bottle of the bio, also to put in a sprayer type thing.

[kyz1981]

Had the Final PM lab results for Marli my Cochin back today and I am in complete shock,

Please find attached a final report on the first bird that I took samples from. It appears that is was due to Mareks disease .

I am not really sure what this means they are all, supposed to have been vaccinated against it.

so worried now and upset - can a vaccinated chicken get Mareks or do I need to speak to the breeder!

Gutted!

[ANHBUC]

So sorry but atleast you know what you are dealing with.  I have no experience of Mareks so hopefully one of the experienced members will be able to give you some advice.  If it was a notifiable disease your vet would have told you. 

I think I would be letting the breeder know but you might be better getting advice on how to approach them.

[kyz1981]

Thanks so much - gutted but I have emailed the breeder with the below reply so I will see if I get a response.



purchased 6 birds from you in July this year, 2 cochins 1, spekeledy, 1 Blue ranger, an aracuna and a welsummer.

I lost the Welsummer quite quickly and she did not respond or perk up to any of the vets injections which at the time we thought was odd. No outward signs of infection both given Baytril. We then lost my Aracuna Tilly to a Neurological type illness- again no response to any of the Vets interventions.

Ordered some new chickens from you as one of my Cochins was a male and you were supposed to swap, this got forgotten or mixed up and I ended up keeping him and the new girls.

Was very concerned about the death of my previous chickens and getting to the vet was difficult- my son has autism  so my vets seeing my sons behavior at the vets, found me a lovely specialist vet- who deals with poultry and game and advises about vaccinations and breeding programs and could come and see my set up as I was so worried I was doing something dreadfully wrong.-  Thank god they did as I would otherwise still be in limbo.

I mentioned to him the curious deaths of my other chickens and that I was concerned about my Male Cochin, he tried to take some blood to test for IB but there was not enough serum to do the required tests, however he said to me if I was to loose any more then he would do a full autopsy to find out the cause.

My Cochin Male went down hill and the only fair thing to do was to cull him (he again had Baytril) and do the Autopsy, one of my new aracunas had to be culled as she went down with neurological symptoms  quite suddenly a day or two later ( I syringed Tylan in to her on my vets advice- this made no difference)- I mentioned Mareks to my vet at this time and he was quite dismissive as I had informed him they had been vaccinated.

I had the Histology Autopsy results back today and I am so angry, upset and annoyed it turns out that he had Mareks and my vet thinks that this is what has likely killed all my chickens- I have attached the report for your attention.

This has devastated me, as I am sure you know Mareks is particularly nasty and any of my chickens, the new girls especially will have to be culled if they show any symptoms and my others who may have immunity are likely to be carriers.

So not only am I going to be looking at all my remaining chickens wondering if they are going to die, but Mareks can live for up to a year so I have to ensure that any chickens I get in the future are/have been vaccinated- this is not going to be exciting prospect as will be looking at the chickens thinking are they going to die and having to cull them if they show any symptoms.

I even  quarantined my new flock for 4 weeks as I was so worried - purchased a new coop to do this- all a huge waste of time and money as this would not have prevented this.

The main reason I ordered my chickens from you was I wanted a fully vaccinated flock, this is not what has happened- one chicken dying bad luck - but 4 - mainly before coming into lay- you have a major problem with your vaccines.

If you are actually vaccinating against Mareks you need to urgently review you vaccines and ensure they are being administered correctly - if they are vaccinated there should be an audit trail from when my chickens were vaccinated - however as one of the new girls has died- I believe it more likely to be due to non - Vaccination or incorrect vaccination than a dodgy batch.

This has cost me near £650 in vets bills, tonics and tests for something I was assured my chickens had been vaccinated against- I do know they can still carry Mareks if they are Vaccinated hence the reason for a fully vaccinated flock..

Not only that but the stress, heartache and trying to explain to my 3 yr old  daughter why her chickens are dying has made the thing that I have been looking forward to after a yr of heartache - a nightmare.




So so angry these are the conditions I was led to believe all my chickens were vaccinated against- mareks, ib and newcastles, then finally salmonella.

[kyz1981]

This was the end bit of the autopsy report.


COMMENT
There are neoplastic lymphocytic infiltrates in the liver, spleen and heart, which are consistent with a diagnosis
of Marek's disease. The heart also shows myocardial necrosis; the aetiology for this is uncertain but I would
presume related to the advanced dissemination of the neoplasm, which can infiltrate blood vessel walls and
could have caused anoxia of the myocardium."

SUMMARY
In summary, the findings in this bird were attributable to the effects of Mark's disease.

[ANHBUC]

Not a very good Christmas for you and your family.  I hope that things improve and you get a good response from your breeder.

[kyz1981]

Thanks calmed down now and feel much better about it all- relieved that there was nothing I could have done, and that my coops are cleaner than the local hospital and my garden is pink .

I have had a response from my breeder:

The mareks vaccine can be threatened if the field challenge around it is threatened. this could be due to stress or disease of some sort.
The hybrids have been vaccinated for mareks twice (they are mechanically done in belgium as we buy them as day olds)
 
Birds can only catch mareks when they are young (normally before they lay) IF there was a huge case of mareks in your area the vaccine may not protect them(or that particular vaccine may not protect them.) within your birds there have been two vaccines used. the pures were with poulvac md vac and the hybrids had Mareks respins vac. It could be the the Poulvac is not as affective in your area.

I guess that's all I am going to get- have forwarded a copy to my vet for his view- Thanks so much for all your help and advice I am going to start a new thread to see how others have dealt with Mareks.

Have a great Christmas.

[joyfull]

I have replied on your other thread, but I think your breeder is fobbing you off - so far he has not given you any proof that they was vaccinated - no phial numbers etc.