I got them from Cyprus, the wife makes a soup from the dried leaves, I think its an acquired taste, as its quite bitter, I was bought up eating it so I love the stuff, same as real helium the English one is very mild, but a good Turkish Arab one is very strong, I have given some to friend here and its far too strong for them, and its hard to get good olive oil here as well, we always have to bring it back when we are in Cyprus ot turkey, my mother in law has her own olive grove... so that helps