Cichorium spinosum -stamnagathi

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Swing Swang

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Cichorium spinosum -stamnagathi
« on: July 10, 2012, 19:35 »
ok - so I'm lucky enough to find myself on Crete. From a veg point of view the diet is absolutely amazing. Loads of foraging goes on and some of the field greens have wonderful flavours. I think that 'vita' is amaranthus but should be getting some seeds from the wife of the restaurant owner, I haven't got a clue what 'goula' is - but I've been given some plants which Ill photograph once back in the uk, And also stmanagathi which I know is Cichorium spinosum and which has a great bitter taste. Maria from the garden centre gave me a plant and implied that it grows all the year round (not sure if that actually means that it is frost hardy though). So does anyone have any experience of growing any ofThese? Opinions before iFly back would be interesting.

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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2012, 20:13 »
'vlita' is amaranth Greek's also eat black nightshade stifno(not the berries obviously)with the vlita to balance the flavours. it's good with saltfish. There is also a plant Mirona that looks like parsley, but tastes quite different -kind of aromatic :unsure:
and you are right about the amaranth  ;)
« Last Edit: July 10, 2012, 20:15 by mumofstig »

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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2012, 08:51 »
If you enjoy the starter they have in Crete  'Greek Big Beans', you could grow those.  I came back with a kilo to cook with,and planted a few last year. I bought them loose from a local shop over there.  They grow like runners but just leave them on the plant till the end of autumn, dry them then cook them.  Delish with a tomato sauce.

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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2022, 23:21 »
You can grow stamnagathi in the UK. It's best to sow in a tray and prick out seedlings into modules before planting out or plant straight into the ground, as germination for stamnagathi seed (available in many garden centres etc in Greece from various seed companies) can be erratic. Sowing it this way you can plant a neat row or two. Best to sow the seeds in June, which means that you avoid the plant's tendency to flower in early summer and you get a sturdy tap root established before winter, which will help the plant survive until Spring. The leaves die back and reappear around April. You can take several harvests in the growing season (Spring to early winter). You cut the whole rosette growing out of the tap root and it will grow back (frequently as many rosettes growing out of a single large taproot). If you let a few plants to flower you will also get the characteristic spines, pretty blue flowers, and lots of new seed for the next season. I have plants without any winter protection coming up for the third year now. It helps to grow them in a raised bed though for ease of weeding and for telling the plants apart easily from native weeds. Myroni is chervil and it is also very easy to grow; you can have chervil all winter from one sowing in August. Radikia (the various rosette-leaved chicories eaten widely in Greece throughout the winter) are also easy to grow (and can give several harvests) but they don't survive the winter without protection in the UK climate.

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Re: Cichorium spinosum -stamnagathi
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2024, 20:37 »
Hello Spud (or anyone else with Stamnagathi seed germination),

I came across this post although I see it is almost 3 years old now. I have 5 stamnagathi plants growing in my garden but I would like to have more - and I managed to get a couple of packets of seeds.

However, the last time I germinating stamnagathi, I couldn't get them to germinate. The nursery where I bought the five plants, the owner, also mentioned he had great difficulty in getting stamnagathi to germinate.

Interestingly, they are selling these plants at this time of the year, then will have them again in about May. But the nursery gets them from another grower.

So, I'm wondering if any of you might have some tips for germinating them (temperature, moisture, how long to germinate, etc).

I'm thinking of trying them both in small pots with seedling soil and also for some, trying the "baggy/paper towel" method. I am also wondering if warmth hinders or helps with germination.

Thanks for any tips and advice anyone can offer!

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Re: Cichorium spinosum -stamnagathi
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2026, 10:09 »
Hi WeeHughie,

It's been a while since I've visited the forum, and you've probably cracked this one by now! But just in case the following helps, I have found that home-saved seed from your own plants is a completely different kettle of fish compared to the seed you can buy in the shops. This is of course true of any seed, but it is especially true of stamnagathi which loses germination viability quickly (like all chicories, comparably to lettuce), within a couple of years tops. Also the seed you can buy in many nurseries and garden stores in Greece is frequently old and also kept on display stands exposed to baking heat in the summer and cold in the winter (although it is worth keeping an eye out for more specialised stores run by agronomists ['geoponos'/geoponika] where seed is kept refrigerated, usually for professional growers). You won't notice the drop in germination as much in seeds like tomatoes, but you will definitely see it in most of these kinds of greens (e.g. kafkalithra/mediterranean hartwort is another one to try and sow from home saved seed for the same reason). Stamnagathi germination is low to begin with and with old or poorly stored seed it just becomes impossible. WIth home-saved seed sown in a tray for pricking out, you will notice that you get clusters of germination: lots of seedlings in one spot, nothing in other parts of the tray. It's just uneven like that. Pricking them out in modules then helps you focus on raising the seedlings that do come up. I haven't tried the priming/wet paper route -- did it work for you?

 If you are growing these in Greece, sowing times will be very different than what I say in my earlier post (you would be sowing in autumn). Mine have germinated well on a windowsill in the UK. Very high temperatures will clearly not help, as the plant's natural rhythms show, with seed pods drying out over the summer, scattering seed which germinates with the autumn rains. Cover seed only very lightly and do not overwater (again, same as all chicories/endives but also lettuce). It may help if you crack some of the pods in which the seed is encased to help free the seed and improve germination (this goes for store-bought seed too, which tends to come with the pods and other small bits of debris).

Good luck!

 

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