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JACDORE

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flubenvet
« on: August 18, 2011, 16:25 »
sorry to have this discussion again guys but cant find the topic where you guys discussed putting it on grapes etc.  This will be the first time I've used flubenvet on the girls as used verm-x before reading you all recommend this stuff.  How much do i give my girls and how do i know they have all had the right dose each?  I have 6 girls. Read they eat it on grapes but my girls unfortunatly had their beaks trimmed before we got them as ex-batteries so can i put it on something easier for them to take it.  I dont want to overdose or underdose them???
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Re: flubenvet
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2011, 17:11 »
Unless your girls are free range and find a lot of their own food, I would follow the pack instructions and mix it into their feed.  The 1% Flubenvet comes with a measuring scoop that is enough for 2kg feed (level measure).

I've just wormed mine and added a tiny bit of sunflower oil to help the powder stick.  It's easier to mix a bit of feed with the Flubenvet, then mix that into the rest of the 2kg of feed.  I have 12 bantams and ended up mixing 2 batches of 2kg medicated feed to last them the 7 days they need to take it over.  I still give mine greens when I'm worming but they get no other treats to fill up on  :)

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Re: flubenvet
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2011, 18:31 »
Hi I recently wormed mine using grapes but it wasn't very sucessful.  Once the powder was on the grape they wouldn't eat it or if they did take it in their beaks they shock it!  after 2 days I gave up and resorted to mixing the pellets with oil and powder and then shutting them in till they'd eaten it all! 

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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2011, 20:05 »
I've just wormed my girls using flubenvet on grapes, went down a treat! After much research the dosage is 0.5g per hen per day. I measured out the 6g scoop and divided into 12 piles giving 0.5g in each pile. It's the 1% flubenvet type. Then I cut 3 grapes nearly in half and scooped a pile into the middle of each grape, then closed it back up and it kind of stuck together. They gobbled them down happily and supervised so they definitely had one each. Would've medicated the feed except I have a broody lady at the mo who isn't eating as much. Good luck.

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Re: flubenvet
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2011, 21:49 »
I'm just worming my girls this week too ( must be something in the air  :tongue2: )

I have 5 bantams around 16 weeks old, i wasn't sure how much food there eating as trying to monitor it prior to worming, but their eating amounts change daily, i didn't want to mix too much food and after 7 days throw lots away.

so i mixed 1 kg of food with 3g of flubenvet, which is half amounts of food and wormer i also used extra virgin olive oil so the food gets a good coating of wormer.

I now need to mix the other half, they're not allowed any treats during worming so that they eat the right amount of food for them.

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Re: flubenvet
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2011, 01:32 »
i find that way to much of a fiddle so i use the Marriages it comes in two sizes 10kg and 20kg

Marriage's Farmyard Layers Pellets Plus Flubenvet is medicated complete feed for laying hens. Worm your chickens the easy way! No need to buy wormer separately.

http://www.greenfarmhealth.co.uk/?atk=224&prk=651
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Re: flubenvet
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2011, 08:45 »
Is there a set age at which you should worm with flubenvet??

should I do my new girls, bearing in mind the little one as well?

they don't like grapes but do like raisins. could I mix it with them with a bit of oil??

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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2011, 13:22 »
Use anything they like!  It's best to give the dose on something like a grape as you know they have all had the correct amount in one go, rather than mixing it in with a bowl of grapes which they feed themselves. 

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Re: flubenvet
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2011, 13:58 »
Thanks. Is it ok to give it to the 5 week old one? Or is she too young?

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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2011, 14:17 »
Not sure mate, i've never had them that young.  I'm sure someone will give you an answer soon.

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Re: flubenvet
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2011, 08:05 »
Just bought some of the marriages with flubenvet. Can't see any reason not to continue with garlc in their water during the 10 day treatment period but what about ACV? Forgot to ask when I bought the pellets.

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Re: flubenvet
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2011, 15:45 »
ACV - I don't think it will do any harm at the dilution that's normally recommended or I don't see that it will do any good either. 

Why do you give ACV anyway?  If the reason is still valid continue, if it isn't or if you don't really know other than it's motherhood and apple pie stop giving it full stop.

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Re: flubenvet
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2011, 16:39 »
Unless your birds freerange and get a lot of their food from their range I'd medicate their food which MUST be homogeneous (consistent composition) and ALL treated uniformly not just one component so they don't pickout the component they like and leave the others they don't like.  It must be given in a ad hoc feeding system so they eat fully in proportion to their needs and aren't deprived by the more dominant hens.

This is the problem with grape feeding as well as ensuring an accurate measure.  If you feed medicated grapes it's only possible to do with a small number of hens you can identify and hand feed individually.  If you have several hens and you attempt to feed them together the ones at the top of the order will get more grapes and be overdosed and those at the bottom will be underdosed.  Problem is if one bird takes the grape the others will try to get it off her and you can never be sure which ones have been medicated and which haven't.

Incidentally I calculate a daily dose of Flubenvet 1% per adult hybrid layer to be around ) 0.4 of a gram/day.  My calculation is as follows.  Each hen will consume about 125grams/day (or 1 eighth of a kilo) and the dose rate for the feed is 3grams /kilogram of feed so each hen would need 3/8ths of a gram = 0.375 grams.  0.5grams would be OK as Flubenvet has been tested to be safe upto at least 2.5X overdose.

Below is an illustration of what happens if you mix ingredients in a single feeder.



I had a couple of handfuls of corn left over after their evening feed so rather than retun it to the feed bin I put it in their feeder which had pellets in.  The next morning the clever little so and so's picked out all the pellets to get the corn.  This illustrates what can happen if you mix ingredients in a single feeder.  The pellets had been medicated but the corn of course hadn't.

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« Last Edit: August 20, 2011, 16:44 by hillfooter »

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Re: flubenvet
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2011, 19:37 »
Hillfooter, I think you and I have already had this discussion regarding ACV but even if I don't continue giving it long term I still have 500ml to use up  ;)

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Re: flubenvet
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2011, 19:40 »
I use it for both me and my hens - if you like to use it keep on doing so, just because HF doesn't use it doesn't mean to say nobody should  ;)
I also use garlic and poultry spice for my birds and bake and crush egg shells for them  :tongue2:
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