Oldish Hens Soft Shells

  • 6 Replies
  • 2121 Views
*

LittleRedHen

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Location: Coltishall, Norfolk
  • 853
    • little red hens egg blog
Oldish Hens Soft Shells
« on: June 23, 2011, 12:02 »
Hi!  My hens are around three years old now and two out of three have started laying soft shelled eggs.  They only lay now once or twice a week.  When we first got them, they laid every day. 

How do I treat them at this stage?  They get lime flour in their layer mash, are outside in the sun all day long and get plenty of greens, etc. 
When I die I will slide in sideways, a glass of wine in one hand and chocolate in the other, screaming, "Whooo hooo!  What a ride!" as life is to be enjoyed to the fullest!

*

joyfull

  • Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Location: lincolnshire
  • 22168
    • Monarch Engineering Ltd
Re: Oldish Hens Soft Shells
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2011, 13:13 »
what breed of hen are they - sadly at 3 some are at the end of their laying life. Do they have access to oyster shell at all times?
Staffies are softer than you think.

*

LittleRedHen

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Location: Coltishall, Norfolk
  • 853
    • little red hens egg blog
Re: Oldish Hens Soft Shells
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2011, 11:52 »
I have a Black Rock, A CalderRanger and a Light Sussex.  I have oyster grit all over the back garden for them, plus a big uncultivated veg bed.  We put cider vinegar in one of our waterers and Lifeguard (I think that's its name) vitamins in the other waterer.  Not only are they not laying but once a week, but when they do, they've cottoned on to the fact that the shells are weak and have them for snacks!  Gggggrrrrr!!!!

*

joyfull

  • Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Location: lincolnshire
  • 22168
    • Monarch Engineering Ltd
Re: Oldish Hens Soft Shells
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2011, 12:18 »
sadly thin shelled eggs is one of the problems of older hens and eating them is perfectly normal - they have to remove the evidence so that preditors aren't encouraged and also they get added protein and a little bit of calcium as well.

*

LittleRedHen

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Location: Coltishall, Norfolk
  • 853
    • little red hens egg blog
Re: Oldish Hens Soft Shells
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2011, 14:48 »
When my husband and I decided to have hens we agreed that they would be pets and the eggs would be a plus.  At this point I would rather have healthy hens than hens that are egg machines.  I overheard my husband saying softly to Tilly last week, "You know it's okay to stop laying now.  No one will think any less of you."  Made me smile. ::)

*

hillfooter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 2628
Re: Oldish Hens Soft Shells
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2011, 15:13 »
Hi LRH,

Checkout this post and thread.

http://chat.allotment-garden.org/index.php?topic=78802.msg891323#msg891323

I also posted to someone with a similar problem recently and suggested some things to try other than limestone flour which shouldn't be fed for more than a couple of weeks if no improvement occurs.  I'll try and find it and post that again.

Best of luck
HF
Truth through science.

*

hillfooter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 2628
Re: Oldish Hens Soft Shells
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2011, 15:20 »
Here's a cut & paste of the post I was refering to from this thread "Persistent soft eggs"  also worth a read,

http://chat.allotment-garden.org/index.php?topic=78909.msg887911#msg887911

"Alas the stock answer to all such problems to supplement calcium is as often as not ineffective.  From what you have told us your hen shouldn't be short of calcium as her diet sounds fine, she isn't too old and you have been adding extra calcium and vit D3 anyway.  More likely there's some other problem which is causing her to not absorb the calcium or deposite it.  If you've given the calcium supplement a fair trial I doubt there's anything to be gained by continuing it beyond two weeks.  Increasing calcium over a prolonged period will put stress on the kidneys and could cause other complications.  In any case I would prefer to feed a larger particle size calcium supplement which is retained in the gizzard over protracted periods and greatly aid absorption rather than limestone flour which is quickly flushed through the digestive system.  particle size needs to be greater than 1mm ideally.  You could try feeding crushed oystershell in the feed not adlib in preference to limestone flour.

Is she being fed a good quality layers pellet?  Try changing brand if you are unsure.  A&P Spillers, BOCM, Dobson & HorralL, Fancy Feeds Marriages and many other major brands with 3.5% calcium should be fine

Has she moulted after her first year of laying.  Sometimes they renew their laying vigour after a moult.  If she hasn't one possibility would be to induce a moult though it can be quite hard on them.  To do this you need to deprive her of any food for 36hrs or so.  Induced moults should not be done without proper precautions and I've never done it but you can try googling to find out a safe procedure.

Other reasons for soft eggs are damage to the internal reproductive organs caused by infections which they may have caught as chicks or growers.  Infectious Bronchitis is a disease which often affects older birds laying performance  causing mishaped eggs and poor shell quality. Egg Drop Syndrome and genetic factors can also cause this.  A vet may prescribe an antibiotic if an internal infection is suspected.  I've had some limited success using Baytril.

Before you try anything more drastic like induced moult you could try increasing hydration by adding an electrolyte to her water for a couple of weeks, cutting out all treat feeds and adding a multivit to her water for a further two weeks.  Keep excitment down in the afternoon ie don't treat feed.

It may improve on it's own accord though curing it entirely maybe overly optimistic.

A useful electrolyte can be made as follows;

Dissolve in 3 litres of water

5 ml of Salt substitute, (1 teaspoon of potassium chlorite)
7.5 ml (1 and a half teaspoons) of Bicarbarbonate of soda (baking soda)
15 ml (3 teaspoons) salt

Use for 7 - 14 days

A summary of causes of thin or shell less eggs is listed below:
1.   Inheritance influences porosity and ability to produce strong shells
2.   Lack of sufficient calcium, phosphorus, manganese or vitamin D3
3.   Vitamin D2 mistakenly substituted for D3
4.   Excess phosphorus consumption, especially by older hens
5.   Ingestion of sulfanilamide (sulfa drugs)
6.   Disease: Newcastle disease, infectious bronchitis, avian influenza, Egg Drop Syndrome 76
7.   Hens exposed to temperature over 85-90°F
8.   Age of hens: incidence higher with older hens
9.   Premature laying of the egg"

PS if you have just been adding calcium without extra Vit D3 add a table spoon of cod liver oil per two kg of feed or so as it's needed for calcium absorption.

Best of luck
HF
« Last Edit: June 24, 2011, 15:24 by hillfooter »


xx
Hens, soft shells and how long does it take?

Started by Oliveview on The Hen House

7 Replies
7072 Views
Last post June 19, 2007, 09:28
by Oliveview
xx
Soft egg shells

Started by sorrel on The Hen House

9 Replies
14797 Views
Last post October 08, 2007, 19:04
by muntjac
xx
Soft Shells

Started by Mrs Mant on The Hen House

1 Replies
962 Views
Last post November 10, 2009, 14:30
by alisonwo
xx
Soft Shells

Started by Flowerpower136 on The Hen House

8 Replies
1921 Views
Last post August 05, 2009, 09:50
by Flowerpower136
 

Page created in 0.311 seconds with 38 queries.

Powered by SMFPacks Social Login Mod
Powered by SMFPacks SEO Pro Mod |