Thanks again, that's great and i feel happier with my breed choices now. Still can't decide between Strothers and Durham hens though, i ideally wanted a few different breeds and they were very helpful when i visited to have a look with good follow up support. They have Rhode Rocks which i think are of the same breeding as Black Rocks, it's just that they are 40mins away rather than 10mins. Do chickens mind the journey back much? That is my deciding factor i think. It's great to know they do good prices on feed, bought a 20kg bag of the Farmgate Layers pellets but cant remember how much i paid, have since found it for around £6 on the web. Copper Blacks are Marans i think, still get confused with all the hybrid names!