WORMING: myths, facts & research please

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WORMING: myths, facts & research please
« on: March 23, 2011, 01:36 »
I haven't yet decided on a worming regime for my pullets.  They range in age from 15 to 20 weeks and are all heavy breeds, so some way off laying yet.  I've read a lot on this forum and all sorts of other sources, but I'm still undecided about a worming plan. 

Wherever possible I prefer to avoid medicating my chickens, because I prefer not to eat medicated eggs.  But at the same time their health and welfare is key so I will always give them medication if I'm convinced it is necessary.

I would be very interested to hear why people use certain systems for controlling worms. I would be particularly interested in hearing from people who have tried more than one system and can compare results.

Are there any studies you can refer me to?  All the better if they were not conducted by pharmaceutical suppliers who are keen to sell their products! 

Thanks.  :)

P.S. Not being in the UK some of your brand names won't be available here so I may need to cross-reference the active ingredients.  I'll see how I go.

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Re: WORMING: myths, facts & research please
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2011, 06:54 »
Evening! :)

Fact: To kill worms and eliminate them from the system you need a chemical wormer.

Myth: Herbal "wormers" will actively reduce/kill an exisiting worm burden

Unsubstantiated: Herbal "wormers" used prophylactically will help prevent worm infestations

The idea behind the herbal wormers is that they alter the chemistry of the intestinal tract making it "uncomfortable" for the worms to live there; or for any ingested eggs to hatch.  I've never been able to find any scientific papers published by, e.g. Verm-X to verify in a clinical setting the efficacy of their products.

In the UK the prefered choice of wormer (on many poultry boards) is Flubenvet (flubendazole)  It is easy to administer in feed and there is no egg withdrawal period.

In France we have Capizol (levomisol) which is given in water once only (5ml per 5L), but there is a 30 day egg withdrawal period.

Ivermectin can also be used as a poultry wormer at the discretion of a vet (in the UK).

My recommendation is that if you choose to use a herbal wormer once a month (as directed), then at least once a year you use a chemical wormer, just to make sure.

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Re: WORMING: myths, facts & research please
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2011, 07:12 »
Found this site which supplies avian wormers to Australia - not sure about the ingredients so you would need to check out yourself:-

http://www.vetproductsdirect.com.au/items.asp?Cc=Birdworm&iTpStatus=0&Tp=&Bc=

Also another wormer which can be used for birds under the supervision of a vet is panacur - see here:-

http://www.thepoultrysite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6911
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Re: WORMING: myths, facts & research please
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2011, 13:11 »
I was full of the idea of being natural but found it just didn't work and the chickens were suffering. And in my view thats not the way to go

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Re: WORMING: myths, facts & research please
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2011, 15:51 »
After just visiting the Verm-X site, I'll be using Flubenvet....
We use chemicals in this garden, just as god intended

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Re: WORMING: myths, facts & research please
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2011, 18:18 »
Worming ...... is it twice a year spring and fall with flubenvet ??

Thanks chaps

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Re: WORMING: myths, facts & research please
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2011, 18:22 »
I do my girls 4 times a year as they free range and come into a lot of contact with wild birds  :)

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Re: WORMING: myths, facts & research please
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2011, 18:52 »
personally i have never wormed my girls . They get garlic water daily and so far ive had no ill effects . I personally try and do everything as close to nature as possible without introducing chemicals and so far has done no harm but its a case of horses for courses and theres no right or wrong answer

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Re: WORMING: myths, facts & research please
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2011, 19:29 »
That's interesting Craig.  How long have you had your hens ?

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Re: WORMING: myths, facts & research please
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2011, 19:34 »
not too long . just under 20 months . i originally set out to use all the chemicals and such but decided against it . rest assured though the first sign of any ill effects in my girls i will change my methods

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Re: WORMING: myths, facts & research please
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2011, 17:25 »
I give my girls a garlic clove chopped up in their porridge once a week and a clove and ACV in their drinking water, so hopefully with the help of nature I can get away with twice a year, they have free range time in the garden run but mostly are on a bedding of hemcore.

Fingers crossed almost a year down the line of a chicken fan I have had no problems

Broody  :D

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Re: WORMING: myths, facts & research please
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2011, 17:38 »
excuse my ignorance but if ducks and chucks run together is the worm problem likely to be worse ?? Currently we don't worm our ducks and we are thinking of getting chucks unless it adds considerably to effort required to keep all in good order.
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Re: WORMING: myths, facts & research please
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2011, 08:06 »
I have only used VermX (2 years monthly) they seem all to lay well. They live in a small free range area (18m2 for 5 hens) I am not sure of the signs of infestation I should be looking out for.  Can anyone help?

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Re: WORMING: myths, facts & research please
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2011, 08:09 »
All these comments refer to chooks under 2 years old. Worm damage builds up gradually and is often irreversible, so by the time they may be feeling any affects the damage is done! :( :(
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Re: WORMING: myths, facts & research please
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2011, 08:57 »
I love learning from my own mistakes (otherwise known as not listening to advice) but when the health of my hens is concerned the peeps on this site know best. listen to them and use a chemical worker 2-3 times a year you will notice from reading posts that newbies like myself try nonsense like verm x herbal tree hugging hippy stuff and more experienced keepers use flubenvet or similar.
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