Patterning in Wynadottes

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Patterning in Wynadottes
« on: June 01, 2010, 10:09 »
Does anyone care to take a stab at helping me understand the relationship between the various Wyandotte markings?
eg
Silver Pencilled
Laced
Partridge
Self-coloured

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Re: Patterning in Wynadottes
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2010, 10:52 »
What do you mean by 'self'?
Laced (black) is e^b/e^b, Co/Co, Pg/Pg, Ml/Ml, s+/(s+/-) for gold, S/(S/-) for silver.
Partridge= e^b/e^b, s+/(s+/-) gold, S/(S/-) silver.
Pencilled= e^b/e^b, Pg/Pg, s+/(s+/-) gold, S/(S/-) silver.

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Re: Patterning in Wynadottes
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2010, 10:56 »
What do you mean by 'self'?
Laced (black) is e^b/e^b, Co/Co, Pg/Pg, Ml/Ml, s+/(s+/-) for gold, S/(S/-) for silver.
Partridge= e^b/e^b, s+/(s+/-) gold, S/(S/-) silver.
Pencilled= e^b/e^b, Pg/Pg, s+/(s+/-) gold, S/(S/-) silver.

this is all gobbledy gook to me  :blink:
it reminds me of algebra  :lol:
Staffies are softer than you think.

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Re: Patterning in Wynadottes
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2010, 11:21 »
Thanks CluckingNuts

My 'Choc/Cream' supplier said her stock sometimes throws self-coloured birds.

By this I assume she means not partridge - tried to look it up but read 2 differing comments - one being that it was a completely different set of genes not simply that patterning was absent.
She gave me some silver/cream eggs which she said would be useful for bringing back the patterning, if I have understood correctly. (Prob.not ::))

Lol Joyfull - it was chinese to me to a few days agao - still having to work at it.  Interesting though.

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Re: Patterning in Wynadottes
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2010, 11:23 »
I just chickens that either are pretty or lay pretty coloured eggs   :D
Now have guinea fowl and they are pretty ...............................ugly  :lol:

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Re: Patterning in Wynadottes
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2010, 11:50 »
Lol Joyfull - how can you call your darlings ugly????

Cluck - no pattern gene (Pg) in the partidge?

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Re: Patterning in Wynadottes
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2010, 11:55 »
To me, 'self' means a solid colour without markings or patterns as in self black (E/E), self blue (E/E, Bl/bl+), self white (E/E, I/I), some people call lavender self blue also.
Self white recessive (c/c) can be on E, E^R, e^Wh, e+, e^b, e^y.
Was she on about chocolate partridge split for cream?

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Re: Patterning in Wynadottes
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2010, 11:57 »
Lol Joyfull - how can you call your darlings ugly????

Cluck - no pattern gene (Pg) in the partidge?
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No, that would make it pencilled. See my other post.

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Re: Patterning in Wynadottes
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2010, 12:00 »
No, that would make it pencilled. See my other post.
Just goes to show - you can't believe all you read on the net  :D

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Re: Patterning in Wynadottes
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2010, 12:09 »
To me, 'self' means a solid colour without markings or patterns as in self black (E/E), self blue (E/E, Bl/bl+), self white (E/E, I/I), some people call lavender self blue also.
Self white recessive (c/c) can be on E, E^R, e^Wh, e+, e^b, e^y.
Was she on about chocolate partridge split for cream?

From her eBay ads:

self chocolate bantam wyandotte eggs - These birds are pure Chocolate Bantam Wyandottes and were bought from Richard Davies who was one of the first breeders of self chocolate Wyandottes. These birds are all pure chocolate so will produce pure chocolate chicks. 

chocolate-cream partridge bantam wyandotte eggs - These birds are Chocolate Cream Partridge Bantam Wyandottes and were bred by Grant Brereton who first created this extremely rare colour. They are similar in appearance to Chocolate Partridge Wyandottes, but the recessive cream gene lightens the hackle, wing bar and saddle feathers. The male in this pen is pure chocolate cream partridge. The  female is chocolate partridge carrying cream and her eggs will produce 50% chocolate cream partridge chicks and 50% chocolate partridge chicks (carrying cream).

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Re: Patterning in Wynadottes
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2010, 17:08 »
They'll be E/E, choc/choc. A solid colour, no markings.

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Re: Patterning in Wynadottes
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2010, 11:19 »
I'm still trying to work my way through all of this.

What causes the patterning on Partridge Wyandottes?  Which gene/combinations of genes?

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Re: Patterning in Wynadottes
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2010, 20:21 »
I'm still trying to work my way through all of this.

What causes the patterning on Partridge Wyandottes?  Which gene/combinations of genes?

Different combinations result in different patterns eg in Wyandottes;

single laced = e^b/e^b, Co/Co, Pg/Pg, Ml/Ml
double laced = e^b e^b, co+/co+, Pg/Pg, Ml/Ml  ( no Co)
multi laced = e^b/^b, co+/co+, Pg/Pg, ml+/ml+  (no Co or Ml)
columbian = e^b/e^b, Co/Co, Pg/Pg, ml+/ml+    (no Ml)
quail = e^b/e^b, Co/Co, pg+/pg+, Ml/Ml             (no Pg)

e^b is partridge, the others are secondary plumage patterns.

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Re: Patterning in Wynadottes
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2010, 12:05 »
Thanks for that - still working it all out.

Got sidetracked and bought another incubator - RCom Pro standard -half the price of the USB Pro but thought it would make a good back up and useful while I am getting started.

All I need now is a bl**dy power  cut.  :D :mad: :tongue2:

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Re: Patterning in Wynadottes
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2010, 17:29 »
Power cuts are the bain of my life, invest in a small generator.


 

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