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joshwain

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« on: January 11, 2009, 18:12 »
Hey,
My dad and I have decided to buy an allotment.
We were so eager to get an allotment we got the first one available and it is in kind of a state...
I was wondering if you guys could help us with a few things to get us on our way.

The reason the subject of the post is 'From Scratch' is because we honestly do have to start from scratch...
At the minute our plot is just a wilderness of weeds and hard soil.
Also, when there is heavy rain in the area the plot floods...

The plans we have in mind are:-
-Raise the plot for floodwater to pass under.
-Make a clear area for a greenhouse.
-Transporting our greenhouse from home to the plot.
-Somehow Weed the plot. (Scary thinking of it...)
-Fertilize the plot.
-Get growing

Whilst on our way with the growing we would like to build a chicken coop and get in some chickens.

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If you have any tips on helping us make this take less time or point out if anything is just impossible please reply!
I dont want this to be a waste of time as i know it will be hard work....

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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2009, 18:53 »
Quote from: "joshwain"
when there is heavy rain in the area the plot floods...


This sounds a bit worrying. How deep does it get and for how long does the water stand on the allotment?

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joshwain

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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2009, 18:57 »
Quote from: "out4nowt"
Quote from: "joshwain"
when there is heavy rain in the area the plot floods...


This sounds a bit worrying. How deep does it get and for how long does the water stand on the allotment?


Only a few millimeters of surface water that stays around a week but considering it isn't solid ground it's bad as it should be able to take that.

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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2009, 19:01 »
Okay, I'd say, cut down the weeds and shred, burn or compost them, then a good deep double-dig to improve the drainage and have a think about using raised beds.

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joshwain

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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2009, 19:07 »
Quote from: "out4nowt"
Okay, I'd say, cut down the weeds and shred, burn or compost them, then a good deep double-dig to improve the drainage and have a think about using raised beds.


The dig would be easier than trying to raise the plot i guess...

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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2009, 19:11 »
Have a look at other plots nearby, do they also flood?  If so, it's clearly a geography thing.  See how they deal with the problem.

If it's the only plot with water, the problem may be what's called a 'pan'.  This is a compacted layer of earth about 1 - 2 feet below the surface.  It's often caused by too much rotavating, or appallingly bad subsoil.

Double digging to two spades' depth should go some way to alleviating the difficulty, as already suggested.

There are articles on generally clearing a new plot on the Information part of the site, click on the link near the top of the screen.
I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days all attack me at once...

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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2009, 19:35 »
If drainage is a real problem you could consider raised beds

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joshwain

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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2009, 19:39 »
I'm going to double dig the plot and see how that goes
If all fails I will result in Raised Beds...

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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2009, 20:11 »
u could put a grip in if there is a dyke to run it to.
a grip is a plastic pipe with holes in it which u bury to drain the water off

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Yorkie

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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2009, 20:53 »
Good plan, Josh

You might want to edit your signature block to remove your email address, otherwise spammers may get hold of it... :(

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joshwain

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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2009, 20:54 »
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Good plan, Josh

You might want to edit your signature block to remove your email address, otherwise spammers may get hold of it... :(


Never though about that :lol: will get it taken off now

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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2009, 23:04 »
Josh, dont try to dig it all in one go. Little and often is the way to go, remember one of the reasons most of us take an allotment is to relax and enjoy our time on them. It dosent have to be torture all the time. Do maybe half an hour digging to start of with then find something more enjoyable (unless you are a masohcist) to do for an hour or so. then another half an hous digging....Good luck with it all Josh... :D
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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2009, 17:14 »
Here's a thread you should read before starting.

http://www.chat.allotment-garden.org/viewtopic.php?t=13570&highlight=

I too have poor sub soil and I loosened what I could before building mounded, rather than boarded, raised beds. No cost involved, just a bit of effort. Roots go down deeper than you imagine so this helps.

Also, you'll want to check with your site or read your contract. I assume you're renting a plot rather than bought, so you'll need to know any restrictions. Not all sites allow fruit trees, greenhouses, sheds or chickens. And check if any water is available because if they allow chickens and there's no water ......
If no water, then you'll need to have water butts on hand with drainage from any shed roofs (again, if allowed).

And as Skiprat says, do it all in easy stages. Exhausting toil is no fun at all and takes the joy out of your efforts.


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