Preperation for a woodburner?

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« on: November 25, 2008, 12:32 »
I currently have a living flame gas fire so am assuming the chimney stack to be ok.

I intend to have this removed and put in its place a woodburner in hope of reducing my current £600 per year (approx) spend on heating the house with gas.

Obviously the fire place will have to be opened right up to accommodate the woodburner, who/what do I need to call round to make the chimney stack compatible? Can a normal builder do this for me or do I need a specialised person?

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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2008, 13:05 »
You need to know if your flue is at least 5" but probably 6" for a woodburner and may need lining with a high temperature stainless steel liner. A gas flue is not meaty enough for the high temperatures.
Any work done (I think) needs to be done by a HETAS registered installer to comply with building regs. You also need to apply for building approval from planning department. That's as far as I remember.

Have you got a brick chimney or is it just a gas flue stuffed up the wall ?

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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2008, 13:10 »
Brick Chimney, looking at 6" flue.

Building approval? As in planning permission ??

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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2008, 13:19 »
I think it's just a building notice or similar. You have to inform them what you're doing with details or your builder does. It's covered by part J or k or something.

With a 6" brick flue you need to know it's in good repair and you'd need a clay pot on top with a suitable draw. If you need to line it, it would limit you to smaller burners.
There's legal requirements on the size of hearth (below and above floorboards). Minimum clearances around the burner to combustible materials.

This website is excellent for info.
http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/stove_help_and_advice.html

You can also ask in any local stove suppliers. They'll know the regs and any local builders who do it. You can do it yourself as long as you include the planning department and conform to all the regs. But I think your insurance needs to be satisfied that it's all done safely.

Rob

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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2008, 14:29 »
How old is the house ? the older the house the more chance of having a compatible flue, like Rob said you may need to have a HETAS engineer install, but phone your local building control 1st they will tell you the local bylaws and regs concerning, plenty of people do this job themselves and make a good job, depends how competent you feel.  :)
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2008, 15:01 »
House is approx 80 yrs old and has a full stack, plumber does the smoke test every yr on gas fire's service hence I know the stack is open.

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2008, 15:16 »
richyrich7 and poutrygeists advice is good L110BS, my mate had his gas fire taken out of his 19thC terrace this summer and started using the unchecked chimney with an open fire... a fair bit of the smoke came back into the room, that unpleasent I stopped visiting him - its still carbon monoxide and other nasties, you just see it unlike gas fumes.

As you are in Nottm the Clean Air Act will more than likely apply. Its the Act that rightly stopped the "pea soupers" - not that they bother out where my dad lives (ex-mining village), its like dickensian london when there is no wind! The local City or borough council (ie Gedling, Broxtowe, Rushcliffe etc) should list which localities/areas are Act exempt ie burn any fuel on any appliance - but these are probably more rural. You can easily buy logburners that are tested and thier emissions comply with the Act -they'll usually have whats called a "secondary air burner" or "airwash" but they cost more than them £100 cast iron things from Machine Mart. The stovesonlive webthing will tell ya which appliances are and aren't exempt.

Don't let all this put you off, its all doable but just more costly so payback time on the works/stove is longer. I'll go this route one day, just can't afford the upfront costs currently.

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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2008, 15:32 »
Ok with an old brick chimney its really easy!  Remove chimney pot cowel to leave an open pot.  Get you chimney swept, very very important.  Find out the size of the burner you want.  When you remove your old gas fire you should find the original brick opening.  Check this allows for the reccomended clearances for the wood burner you need.  Next check the size of the hearth you need.  These can be bought made to measure, a tiled outside and a concrete inside or you can pour your own quite easilly.

Then all you need to do is install.  About a metre of flue will usually suffice and it just gets poked up the chimney.  You may need some heat proof board to line where the flue goes into the chimney to stop any down drafts etc.  Then light and enjoy your fire.

As the others have said there probably are some kind of regs you need to comply with these days so have a check!!!  

Good luck  :D
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2008, 16:03 »
Moose finders spot on, we used 3mm steel as a chimney plate, cost us less than a fiver. Ours keeps the living and dining room lovely and warm and the chimney stack passes throught he centre of the house and that gets warm too, taking the chill off some of the rooms upstairs.

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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2008, 16:54 »
How long does it take to set the stove coating?

Been seasoning my stove for a week with small fires and it still really smells :( Did'ne expect it to last this long!

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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2008, 17:56 »
Stinks for a while, the advice I had was to start with a small fire for an hour or two and then build it up to a good burn, Stunk the house out, we had to open doors and windows it was that smokey  :lol:  but after that it got less and less over a few days.

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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2008, 18:42 »
Thanks Richy, was beginning to think that something horrible had gone wrong.  :shock:  

Think i'll wait till its a bit warmer so can open doors etc.... have c/h so not reliant on stove. Just that SIL can get pallets for free firewood, so will help with bills oneday :lol:

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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2008, 19:26 »
8)  we burn a lot of pallets and yes it does save on yer gas bills, heat for free  :D

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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2008, 01:41 »
And I'm guessing that your pallets are made of soft wood which causes more creosote buildup in the chimney, which requires more frequent cleaning out to avoid flue fires.

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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2008, 03:39 »
I don't know anything about the regulations in the UK, but re you going to have it with a wet back? We've got a woodburner here as our only source of heating ant over winter it's brilliant! Heats all our hot water and we can cook on it.

 

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