Help with identification and cure of worm/grub problem

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3759allen

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Help with identification and cure of worm/grub problem
« on: November 18, 2013, 22:09 »
Hi,

wondering if any of you can help me with the worm/ grub problem i'm having.

they seem to mainly be in the root system of my tomatoes and potatoes. causing a massive problem with the potato crop. they seem to bury into the potatoes leaving deep black holes/ tunnels. seem to have been affecting the early and seconds.

any help much appreciated.

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Re: HELP WITH IDENTIFICATION AND CURE OF WORM/ GRUB PROBLEM
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2013, 22:14 »
Wireworm?

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Re: HELP WITH IDENTIFICATION AND CURE OF WORM/ GRUB PROBLEM
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2013, 22:21 »
Deffo wireworm, Not much you can do really.

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Re: HELP WITH IDENTIFICATION AND CURE OF WORM/ GRUB PROBLEM
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2013, 22:29 »
Wireworm, actually a stage of the Click Beetle. They can seem to remain at the laval stage for a few years. Seems there is not anything available to us to treat them. Suggested action is to dig over in Autumn and expose them to preditors to come eat. Sounds like you need a tribe of friendly robins to follow you around.

Reports are that they are getting more prolific.

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Re: HELP WITH IDENTIFICATION AND CURE OF WORM/ GRUB PROBLEM
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2013, 22:43 »
Was the ground recently grassland?
I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days all attack me at once...

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Re: HELP WITH IDENTIFICATION AND CURE OF WORM/ GRUB PROBLEM
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2013, 00:09 »
hi, growing green manure mustard dug in is a good repellent they don't like it :ohmy:
diggity dig dig

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Re: Help with identification and cure of worm/grub problem
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2013, 08:56 »
they're a real pain but some ideas:

•Removing all traces of previous infected crops will starve them of food
 •Getting plants off to a strong start is important. One way to do this is to grow them in modules or pots before planting out when they are more able to cope with an attack
 •Cultivate your whole plot, removing all grass
 •Regular cultivation , particularly over winter, will expose them to predators
 •Cubes of potato or carrot on a stick will attract them so they can be collected up and disposed of regularly.
 •Limit damage to potatoes by lifting them as soon as they are aready.
 •Nematodes (Heterorhabditis megadis) are available which can control populations but multiple applications may be required
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Re: Help with identification and cure of worm/grub problem
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2013, 11:34 »
thanks for the replies.

good news that i now know what it is.

bad news that there's not a lot i can do about it.

it was grassland / un used garden / waste land until this season, prob in that state for 5 years plus. if i keep cultivating will this infestation get better with time?

i will be planting brassica's in the affected area next year will this be a problem?

thanks again

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Re: Help with identification and cure of worm/grub problem
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2013, 15:01 »
They may remain in the soil as lavae for 3/4 years. The big ones in your photos are probably due to pupate before turning into click beeltes. The click beetles lay their eggs on grass stems ( can be on grass weeds). If your plot is kept clean the problem will get less each year.

Brassicas are a good crop for soil infested with wireworm, but make sure that you get the plants to a good size before you plant them out.

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Re: HELP WITH IDENTIFICATION AND CURE OF WORM/ GRUB PROBLEM
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2013, 15:10 »
hi, growing green manure mustard dug in is a good repellent they don't like it :ohmy:

That is for potato eelworm, not wireworm. Potato eelworms are nematodes and not visible to the naked eye.

The eggs of potato root eelworms stay dormant in the soil until the next potato crop is planted. The sap of the roots of the mustard fools the eelworms into thinking there are potatoes. They hatch but cannot develop, as there are no potatoes, and die.

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Re: Help with identification and cure of worm/grub problem
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2013, 17:50 »
thats good news then, i guess.

i've got a week off in a couple of days so will get weeding to clean the weeds and grass up that are there.

i'll prob cover the area to act as a weed suppressant, i'm assuming that will be ok?

would it be ok to cover the area with rotted manure over winter or should i leave it dormant until the spring?

thanks again for all the advice.

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Re: Help with identification and cure of worm/grub problem
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2013, 18:52 »
Allotmentor made some good practical suggestions in their post above.

Don't despair. My plot was considered untenable due to wireworm infestations, but I found that decent digging, painstakingly picking out every single one I saw, reduced the population hugely.

Caught loads using the potato cubes on stick mentioned, too.

Covering the area will neither help nor hinder wireworms but will stop weed seeds from germinating strongly or nutrients from washing away, and manuring now first will mean worms start to incorporate this into the soil for you.

I would dig out as many wireworms as I could see first though
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Re: Help with identification and cure of worm/grub problem
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2013, 21:09 »
If you cover it, how are the birds going to get to the soil to dig out wireworms. If you have jackdaws/rooks about they are a great help.

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Re: Help with identification and cure of worm/grub problem
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2013, 08:20 »
In my first year of my allotment (which had been overgrown) I had a real problem with the little blighters.  But with each successive year, I'm getting less and less.

Just stay patient and keep digging.


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