Using our eggs in our professional kitchen

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Using our eggs in our professional kitchen
« on: July 14, 2012, 19:18 »
hi, we are about to take delivery of some ex-batts, with the hope that we can use some of their eggs in our pub kitchen. I have looked and looked on the net but have not really found anything conclusive. please can anyone help. (We will still have the hens regardless of whether we can use the eggs at work!)

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Re: Using our eggs in our professional kitchen
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2012, 20:21 »
I used my home produced eggs in my B & B kitchen and the health inspector looked at them and their accommodation as part of the inspection process. Health inspectors like liquid egg and hard egg yolks as they are risk averse  :D  Most punters like a runny egg so that's what they got.  It was suggested that I get the customer to sign a disclaimer if they wanted a runny egg. I decided to disregard that advice

As long as your hens and their accommodation are tip top, and your kitchen is too, then I think the health folks will be happy.  All my eggs used to get eaten fast so there was never any old eggs to worry about.  I used to write the laid date on the egg

If you have your environmental health folder there's probably a section in there about eggs. Have you looked?   :)




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Re: Using our eggs in our professional kitchen
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2012, 21:26 »
I am almost certain that I have read on an official website (possibly Defra) that you are not allowed to use the eggs in cooking when the product is going to be sold to a customer.  This includes them being used in baking. 

There is a little bit of information on here http://poultry.allotment-garden.org/advice/eggs/selling-eggs

I am sure another member will clarify this for you.
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Re: Using our eggs in our professional kitchen
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2012, 03:39 »
Found this on another forum dated 2011


Producers with fewer than 50 birds are not required to mark their eggs - so long as they provide other information such as their name and address and provide consumer advice to keep eggs chilled after purchase along with a best before date (maximum 28 days from lay) for the eggs at the point of sale. (section 4b of the EMR1 leaflet above refers). Individual markets may also have their own rules which require the stamping of a producer code on hen eggs.  

Ungraded eggs sold direct to the final consumer at the producer’s farm gate or sold by the producer locally door-to door in the region of production**  will not have to be marked.

Can I sell a small quantity of unmarked eggs through my local shop?
No. There is NO derogation (within the current EU Regulations) for producers to sell eggs outside the marketing regulations into/through third party outlets such as retail shops or caterers – all such sales must be from producers and packing centres which are registered with Animal Health EMI and must be Class A eggs in all respects.  

Can ungraded eggs be served in bed and breakfast establishments?
The Food Hygiene Regulations covering the sale of fresh shell eggs require that all eggs used by catering establishments should be properly boxed and labelled Class ‘A’, however there is an exemption for chicken keepers who run small bed and breakfast establishments on the same site as they keep their flock.

This exemption permits small bed and breakfast establishments (three rooms or fewer) who produce their own eggs to serve these ungraded and unmarked eggs direct to their guests.  To ensure that food safety is adequately safeguarded the bed and breakfast should inform individual customers that the eggs are direct from their own hens and are not Class ‘A’. Advice should be offered stating that, because the eggs are not Class ‘A’, the customer might like them properly cooked, particularly if they are in a vulnerable group.

It remains the case that if eggs are purchased from any other sources (including neighbours) then the eggs would have to be graded and stamped as Class ‘A’ before they can be used.

Best Before date?
There is no legal requirement for the Best Before Date to be stamped on the egg. Some producers (packers) do stamp this information on their eggs. The legal requirement is for packs or labelling to show the Best Before Date - which may not exceed 28 days from date of lay. (section 17.2 of the EMR1 leaflet above refers).


Registration requirements
Egg producers are required to register with the Animal Health Egg Marketing Inspector and be allocated a producer distinguishing number if:

they have 350 or more hens or
they have 50 or more hens and any of their eggs are marketed at local public markets
or any of the eggs are eventually marketed as Class A (all eggs to retail and catering). (section 3 of the EMR1 leaflet refers).
Establishments with fewer than 350 laying hens and those rearing breeding hens do not have to be registered, unless any of their eggs are destined to be graded for marketing as class A (i.e. all eggs sold at retail and to catering).

If the producer has more than 50 hens then they must also be registered with the Great Britain Poultry Register separately (section 4a of the EMR1 leaflet refers).


Are farm gate/door-to-door sales of eggs from unregistered producers permitted?
Yes - producers with fewer than 50 birds are not required to be registered with Animal Health EMI nor with the Great Britain Poultry Register and do not need to mark their eggs with a producer code. They can sell these at their farm gate or locally  door-to-door in the region of production. They may also sell them direct to consumers at a local public market in which case they must show their name and address and provide consumer advice to keep eggs chilled after purchase along with a best before date (maximum 28 days from lay) for the eggs. (section 4b of the EMR1 leaflet refers).

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Re: Using our eggs in our professional kitchen
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2012, 07:52 »
Don't know if this adds to the discussion but

 when I got my kitchen registered for making and selling cakes I asked the environmental health inspector about using my eggs for baking and she said it was fine, just label with the date laid and keep them refrigerated and take them out of the fridge before cooking with them.

She came and looked at the chicken set up too.

Really helpful lady.

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Re: Using our eggs in our professional kitchen
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2012, 16:35 »
Yes Mrs Ball they do have a commonsense approach thankfully  :)

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Re: Using our eggs in our professional kitchen
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2012, 17:04 »
Funny you should say that!

In Boston the EHO are a different breed.  They told a lady down our road when they came to inspect her kitchen as she wanted to make and sell preserves and cakes that she couldn't use them in her baking.  She had to buy class A eggs to use as they had been tested for salmonella, whereas her own eggs hadn't.

HOWEVER, she could use them if she wanted to make say Lemon curd!    Errrrmmmmmm.

I would think the eggs baked in a cake would be more cooked even than the lemon curd.

But they are stupid up here!

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Re: Using our eggs in our professional kitchen
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2012, 17:19 »
Grannie, the worlds gone nuts!!!

That is absolutely ridiculous. I am asked so many times if I have any lemon curd and I won't make and sell it because the eggs are cooked at low temperatures. I won't even do it with shop eggs!

Recently I was asked advice about selling chutneys because this guy's friend was thinking about doing it but his EHO told him he had to send off his jars of chutney for analysis and acid content which he would have to pay for at £200 a jar :wacko: :wacko:

How the hell can a small concern make any money like that!

So pleased my EHO is so helpful and sensible otherwise I wouldn't be doing it.

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Re: Using our eggs in our professional kitchen
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2012, 21:06 »
Thank you all for your help.  I think the only way to try and resolve this is to ask our EHO what the legislations for our council are. They can either say yay or nay, and if it involves a lot of red tape, we won't bother. We thought it would be nice to offer our customers really fresh eggs with no 'airmiles' involved!

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Re: Using our eggs in our professional kitchen
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2012, 21:32 »
ex batts will have had their salmonella vaccinations anyway - so they will be just the same as shop eggs  :)
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Re: Using our eggs in our professional kitchen
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2012, 16:14 »
The lady that inspected me for cakes & jam sales was very good too. I could use my own girls eggs etc was very impressed about it. Some are just a pain in the rear. And also sell them at farm gate etc. She checked that I complied with the date marking etc. You don't have to go overboard if you are a small time producer, most sensible officers are there to help and advise you, not hinder you. She even bought some eggs from me.

In our area we have scores on the doors and she gave me 4/5 which I was well chuffed with for a first time inspection.

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Re: Using our eggs in our professional kitchen
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2012, 16:43 »
I'm pretty sure you can anyway  :)
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