Electric fence not working

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Electric fence not working
« on: December 05, 2010, 09:28 »
Hi, I am completely new to this site, but have had chickens and my field for a year now.  I have had an electric poultry net for the whole of that time, and despite a rather upsetting first week, when the fox got in, I have had no trouble.  I recently bought another fence and joined it to the first one, this has been fine, although the charge has not been so good.  However, we have had all this snow, and I cleared away from the fence, charged my battery, but now nothing.  The energiser is making a whiny noise and there is a slight tick coming from the earth rod - can anyone help me - I am really not very good at this and the girls have had to be kept in today as they are off site and I cannot see them from home. 
I went up this morning and there are paw prints in the pen - so naturally I really want to keep them all safe and sound.  Please help? :( :unsure:
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Re: Electric fence not working
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2010, 18:48 »
Hi,
You need a logical approach.
Is the battery giving full power? If you've extended the fence; is it capable of the extra power needed?
Is the earth rod good enough for the whole new circuit? You can add extra rods along the fence - but check the way the wires are connected along the length.
Are the joints a good connection? You could check resistance if you have a multimeter. Have a look at night. Any flashes? Make a note and check in daylight.
Think about it as a water feature. Power from battery is low pressure water from pipe. Energiser is a pump - pushes up pressure. Water (electrical charge) goes along pipes (wires) and down to a return pipe (the earth via rod) and back to energiser. Any resistance, leaks, poor pumps or lack of supply will make the water feature perform poorly. HTH

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Re: Electric fence not working
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2010, 11:39 »
The battery??  is it car or leisure....... car batteries are pants in this weather and leisure will lose thier charge very quickly.....

could be the energiser as not sure why it should make a whiney noise..... is the fence earthing on the snow or long grass/weeds

Have you tried pouring a bucket of water around the earth rod, sometimes it needs to be wetter than the soil is naturally (though in this weather I cant think its the problem unless the water is all ice)
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Re: Electric fence not working
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2010, 14:33 »
The energizer may have got water in it which can corrode the connections or it might simply have frozen in the snow. Try drying it out in a warm place - airing cupboard or near some heat source. I have had both these problems in the winter weather - better to keep the girls in, as much as they hate until problem sorted. I now put a feed bag over my energizers to keep them dry. Hotline energizers (the gemini version) are known to have a problem with water getting into the lead connection point. You could take it back to where you bought it - some places have spares you can borrow while yours are being fixed. Check to see if your guarantee is still valid, hope you get it sorted!

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Re: Electric fence not working
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2011, 08:33 »
Thanks for all the responses.  I posted a new foxy rant on fox proofing our chickens today - the cunning fox has no fear of my fence at all.  New Energiser, battery at full charge no earthing anywhere - bought a fox trap. I know another will replace him, but I am going to bait the fence again and again until they learn. >:(

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Re: Electric fence not working
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2011, 08:52 »
I am going to bait the fence again and again until they learn. >:(

If only they would learn but they won't :wub: :wub:
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Re: Electric fence not working
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2011, 09:07 »
I am going to bait the fence again and again until they learn. >:(

If only they would learn but they won't :wub: :wub:

Our local fox's learn on the first night, they ran into it since it was across there path. You could hear the yelp from inside the house.

I also saw there tracks in the snow which was good as I could see that they purposly moved away from the nets!!
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Re: Electric fence not working
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2011, 06:12 »
going to play with the fence today as he has been back. Still waiting for the fox trap to arrive.

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Re: Electric fence not working
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2011, 17:04 »
The whine you are hearing is the energiser charging up a capacitor. It dumps charge into the capaciter in pulses to build up a high voltage charge and the frequency of the pulses generates the acoustic whine.  The charge being dumped generates a mechanical force on an internal component which is vibrating.  Shouldn't really happen and possibly suggests all  isn't right inside the energiser).  The capacitor discharges once it reaches a high enough voltage and fires a circuit (the clicking noise) which generates a hi voltage pulse (or spike) which is connected to the net.  The Net isn't continuously at a high voltage it is pulsed with a very high voltage at a rate you can often set on some energisers to slow, fast and economy.

I assume you have a tester and if so you should proceed as follows.

1  Test the energiser.  Connect the battery as normal,  Check the earth wire is securely connected to the earth stake and the earth stake securely driven into the earth which must be wet.
2  Disconnect the hi voltage connector (often a crocodile clip from the net and connect your tester to the hi voltage wire directly from the energiser with no net attached.  If the tester has an earth, connect that to the earth rod.  Turn on the energier and take a voltage reading.  It should be very high (check energiser documentation for no load voltage spec) as there will be no shorting to limit it.  If it is the energiser is fine.

Test the net for shorts,

3  Connect ONE net to the energiser and again measure the voltage.  If it has dropped significantly it indicates it is shorting somewhere.  Check the net at each insulator pole and in particular check the the first live strand (second one from the bottom isn't wrapped round the metal prong of the pole.  If it is move it up and tape it up with some insulating tape so it can't droop.  Go all the way round the net checking for the First conductor strand touching the ground or being wrapped round a post prong or touching a heavy growth of grass or weeds.

4  Check that where the net is gathered up it is connected together OK.
5  Retest the volatge which if you have cleared the problem should be again high.  Your energuiser instructions should say how high but anything of 3500 volts upwards should OK.

Repeat 3 to 5 with the second net connected in series.

Possible problems are.

The battery maybe an issue but I doubt it.  The earlier advice about car batteries and leisure batteries seems like nonsence to me.  Both are lead acid batteries which when chared will behave the same the difference is their discharge characteristics.  Car batteries are built to withstand complete discharge their internal cells distort and they are quickly destroyer when used on nets.  Leisure batteries have kevlar or other reinforcing and can stand being completely discharged which is why you should use them for electric fence applications.

It's possible the energiser has damp inside which will prevent the reservoir capacitor charging or cause internal shorting of the high voltage pulse and drying may help.  Energisers should be designed for outside use and shouldn't leak and if they do they should be sprayed with a high voltage lacquer to prevent damp effecting their components.  So if this is happening its a design or a manufacturing problem and your guarentee should cover you.  Covering the energiser from rain can help but ensure it's well ventillated and dries so it doesn't get damp.  An old plastic bucket might help ventillation rather than a plastic bag.  Neither should be necessary really.

If there's a click from the earth rod it suggests a poor or broken earth connection.  Check the green wire from the energiser to the earth rod and that it's securely screwed to the rod and the rod firmly in the ground.

As someone suggests observing any flashing at night (stop smurking there!) will locate a short to earth.

It's possible there's a broken net strand and I would suggest you short all the conducting strands together half way round the net so if there are two breaks it shouldn't isolate a strand.  Strip the copper wire from some scrap mains cable and at the mid point of the net wrap it round each conductor several times (3+) and drop it vertically down to the next conducting strand and repeat until all conduting strands have been connected.  Snip off any excess.  This will help bypass any breaks.  You can repair breaks by twisting copper wire around the broken strand too.  Easier than trying to use the useles repair kit often provided.  Make sure the errected net is in straight runs and nice and taut.  Use wooden tree stakes to tie the insulating posts to to anchor the corners and changes of direction,  Use nylon or bailer twine to tie the insulator posts to the tree stakes so none of the conductors touch the stake.


Best of luck
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Re: Electric fence not working
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2011, 14:45 »
Dear Hillfooter,

Many thanks for all your advice on the electric fence situation.  I firmly believe  that it is  the way forward for me and will go and sort and follow all of your advice.  I :D

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Re: Electric fence not working
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2012, 12:32 »
Nice idea to support the corners like that ... I'm having to move home and my hens are going to need an electric net, more to keep them safe, as I have seen a fox, my question to the group is which net so far is best? there is quite a lot of difference in price for what seems like a fairly similar product.
Has anyone had hens killed by a fox while using an electric net?
Any links to really good prices for poultry net?
I do have a mains unit so will only need to buy net and would like to get it right. TIA
« Last Edit: March 18, 2012, 14:13 by spud »
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Re: Electric fence not working
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2012, 08:58 »
I couldn't advise you on the best net and there is a big discrepancy in prices when you go on the 'net'! However, do bear in mind that they do come in 2 or 3 different heights and that some nets have smaller holes for the first few rows from the ground for small birds or chicks. This does affect price. :)


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