New to chicken keeping, brooder help

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New to chicken keeping, brooder help
« on: February 25, 2011, 21:06 »
Hi everyone,

We're finally able to keep chickens so we're reading up on it all. We've decided that we'd like them from young chicks so that we can hand rear them and they'll be really used to us.
Im just having problems deciding how much of a good idea that is! We want 3 or 4 chickens in total but I know that they can't be sexed at an early age so Im worried about ending up with cockerels, how do you all deal with this?
Also Ive been looking into brooders and am struggling knowing what would be a good size for just a few chicks, is this any good...   http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160542077997#ht_542wt_934
i was a bit worried that they may burn themselves on the lamp??

I can't seem to find any information about how long they should be in a brooder for and about moving them from the brooder to the hen house outside. We are going to buy a hen house that has a run built in and then let them roam in the garden when we are out there with them.

Oh and the breed of chickens Id like is Silkies

id really appreciate any help you can give x

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Re: New to chicken keeping, brooder help
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2011, 21:13 »
silkies are very difficult to sex when young so raising them from chicks could mean you end up with all or half of them being cockerels. Also for beginners I would get point of lay - they soon become tame. As for the coops with runs then sorry but most runs are not big enough for chickens to spend most of their time in.
Staffies are softer than you think.

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Re: New to chicken keeping, brooder help
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2011, 08:18 »
i have just bought 4 chicks yesterday, and put them in a home made brooder... its any plastic container tall enough (plastic as its easier to clean) put holes in the lid and then attach a 100w bulb (scats sells them) you will need to buy cable and plug as well, in total i spent, £5 on box, £5 on bulb (special bulb for reptiles), £3 ish for wire and plug.... far cheaper than buying a professional brooder

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Re: New to chicken keeping, brooder help
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2011, 08:20 »
forgot to mention that if i get any males i am giving them to a friend who owns a garden centre which sells chickens, he said he would happily take them off me, but you could find a place locally that would take them, maybe a farm or somewhere rural

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Re: New to chicken keeping, brooder help
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2011, 11:05 »
Welcome to the forum Mooie :)

I made an arrangement with the lady I bought my chicks from that if they turned out to be cocks she would swop them for me. This cost a bit more than just buying unsexed chicks but as a beginner this suited me fine.

Our brooder was a guinea pig indoor cage with the plastic base type of affair. To keep draughts out we clad the sides with cardboard. The lamp was a reptile ceramic heat lamp that emits warmth but not light so as to get the birds into a normal pattern of day and night without exposing them to a cold period during their first few weeks. this was kept in the kitchen on a box so it was off the floor and we gradually introduced periods of no lamp until they were without it altogether. Once they were ready I moved the brooder into the shed and eventually the chicks were put out into the enclosure.
 These were chicks we got at a week old and I must say that if you have the support from your chick supplier or someone you know that has experience, then starting with week old chicks is really great fun.
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Re: New to chicken keeping, brooder help
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2011, 13:27 »
Another option of course is to eat the cockerals.  Ive done it a few times and they were very tasty!

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Re: New to chicken keeping, brooder help
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2011, 16:02 »
Another option of course is to eat the cockerals.  Ive done it a few times and they were very tasty!

Don't think Silkies would be that nice to eat?  Black skin and bones yuk!!!  :lol:

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Re: New to chicken keeping, brooder help
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2011, 16:07 »
Never tried one myself!   Maybe a good stew??  :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: New to chicken keeping, brooder help
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2011, 17:42 »
They are supposed to be a delicacy in China. I was talking to an old farmer a few weeks ago and he said he had culled a Silky cockerel and was determined to eat it.  Ha ha it was vile  :tongue2:   :lol:

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Re: New to chicken keeping, brooder help
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2011, 07:24 »
Morning... :)

First of all I wouldn't recommend chicks to a first time keeper... but who am I to talk?  I ended up with 6 chicks only two weeks after i got my first POL hens lol.

Lots of people I know use the big plastic crates/boxes as brooders for the first couple of weeks.

This is mine:





I think the crate is 80L - but it was the biggest I could find.  That is a "proper" 175W infra red brooding lamp, but I've since switched to a more electricity bill-friendly electric hen... which means that most of the time I can't see the chicks, but it's easier on my pocket in the long run.

If you decide to do this you will need a few things...

Bedding: I really like aubiose (hemp) in the brooder.  It is much less dusty than dust extracted shavings.  For the first week I keep it covered with cheap kitchen roll, as it is easy to swap out a few times a day - chicks are little pooing machines, and quickly grow into bigger and bigger pooing machines!

Feeder: I have special chick gravity feeders, but you may want to use a jam jar lid or similar fo the first couple of days.

Waterer: Again, I have specific chick waterers with a very narrow lip which reduced the chances of drowning (chicks tend to fall asleep as they bimble around, literally falling over where they stand.  If they do this on an "open" water source then can easily drown).  Again you can use a shallow dish and put marbles in it.  But using a flat recepticle will mean that you have to change the water several times a day as the chicks will poo in it.

Chick crumbs: Chick crumbs are a high protein (usually between 18 and 22% protein) pellet which has been broken into pieces small enough for baby chicks to eat easily.

When first introducing the chicks to the brooder, use your index finger to "peck" at the crumbs and the chicks will come over to investigate and mimic your action and so they will learn where the crumbs are.  Do the same with the water.

Depending on the age of the chicks, if you are using an infra red bulb, the temerature under it should be between 30 and 33*C for the first week, reducing by 3 to 5 degrees each week - this is done by increasing the height of the lamp above the brooder.

At this time of year, you should expect any chicks to require heat for about 6 weeks constantly, and maybe another two weeks with heat at night depending on how warm it is outside.

I keep my chicks ina room which is a constant 20*C for the first month, then move them to an unheated room for the last two weeks before moving them outside.

Silkies are a bit special.  As they are missing the gene which creates proper feathers they are very susceptible to getting wet, and many people advise keeping them under cover all the time.  They should also not have access to water in which they can get their crest wet as this can lead to other issues (like eye infections).  As a crested breed, you will need to pay special attention to their crests, as they can be prone to mite infestations.  Also take care to check between their legs, as their feathers can become matted leading to leg problems.  Silkies are also infamous for being difficult to sex, this is partly due to their walnut comb, and because cockerel feathers are somewhat hidden by their silky appearence.

Good luck!

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Re: New to chicken keeping, brooder help
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2011, 08:08 »
 I'm sorry to put a damper on things but I think you will find it harder to get rid of cockerels than some of the posts on here suggest. :(
Experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted!!

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Re: New to chicken keeping, brooder help
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2011, 15:51 »
Hi Sorry only just saw the last couple of replies, thanks for all the very useful advice! Its all really helpful, I think chicks isn't the way to go just yet though so Im starting this year with POL ones/

Sassy sorry to hear people can have problems homing cockerels, luckily we have a couple of farms here that are willing to take anyones unwanted cockerels so we must be very lucky!!

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Re: New to chicken keeping, brooder help
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2011, 18:06 »
according to Spana silkie cockerels are good for cooking spatchcock fashion (1 per person) yummy  :)


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