[brianbishop]

Went to a garden club talk on rose growing by a head gardener from one of the stately homes and he swore by Armillitox for both rose sick soil and winter wash.
Bish

[AlaninCarlisle]

Just checked on their website to find that Armillatox is authorised for sale as a soap-based cleaner only, although I know it contains phenol compounds, a bit like Jeyes Fluid. If I were to ignore proprietary advice and use it as a soil steriliser, how do I go about it and at what dilution? It may be more sensitive to this site's rules re such matters if you were to send me a private message

[mumofstig]

Look at Fryer's roses advice
http://www.fryers-roses.co.uk/Planting_information/

[Agatha]

Can I ask if other roses were planted previously in this bed? If so, you'll never solve the problem as roses excrete something that will kill off other roses that follow.

As mentioned before, mycorrhizal fungi is thought to help overcome rose replant sickness.  It has been effective in my experience. 

[AlaninCarlisle]

Right, one last try. Plan is to dig out soil to at least a foot depth and about 15" radius from where now defunct rose-bushes were, to soak the hole with 1:50 diluted Armillatox and allow to soak into the surrounding area. Refill with fresh soil from elsewhere in the garden and replant the new roses. If it works, I've got a new 12-shrub rose-bed. If it doesn't I've just blown £68 on roses and Armillatox!

[Aunt Sally]

Nope - Armillatox may not be uses as a soil sterilant at all.  It is banned by the EU.  So you have wasted your money on that (unless you have a patio to clean).

There is more information here about Replant Disease (for those who have not heard of it):

http://apps.rhs.org.uk/advicesearch/profile.aspx?pid=572

Mycorrhizal products may help new roses to re-establish or you can plant your roses elsewhere and use to old rose bed for something else.

[Aunt Sally]

It may be more sensitive to this site's rules re such matters if you were to send me a private message

That is very naughty Alan and you or others could be sent to my dungeon 

[mumofstig]

It is banned by the EU. 

The company never submitted the product formula to the new testing the EU brought in - so it simply isn't licensed to use as a sterilant.

http://www.armillatox.co.uk/

[Aunt Sally]

Same effect though - can't use it on soil !

[AlaninCarlisle]

Surely, the correct terminology is that it'd be illegal to SELL it or MARKET it for application to soil under EU legislation.  A ruling that I fully understand and agree with

[Aunt Sally]

You'll be down in my dungeon soon, sweety

[Sparkyrog]

Surely, the correct terminology is that it'd be illegal to SELL it or MARKET it for application to soil under EU legislation.  A ruling that I fully understand and agree with

You know as I know that some of us have done things for many years ,some pre dating the EU ! and as the saying goes Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools!!

Now don't smack me Aunty  "I might like it" 

[Aunt Sally]

You won't like it, me dear - believe me 

John has written a bit about using home made and unlicensed products.

http://www.allotment-garden.org/grow-your-own/home-made-pesticides

I'm now locking this topic.