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sour crop I think
« on: April 09, 2011, 07:31 »
Lilly was looking very miserable this morning , all puffed up and eyes closed and tail down. Her chest looked particularly puffed and I wondered if there was something wrong with her crop. I palpated it and a brownish liquid gushed from her mouth. I did this a couple of times more to hopefulluy relieve any pressure and discomfort then went to my computer to Poultry and Pets for advice. I looks like it may be sour crop so I will start the suggested remedies this morning - cider vinegar, live yogurt and garlic and some olive oil.
A couple of questions - what might have caused the fungal infection - could it have been something I fed them?
The fluid was regurgitated in the chicken run and one of the others showed some interest in it - could the fungal infection pass from one to the other?
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Joan

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Re: sour crop I think
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2011, 10:27 »
I have been reading more posts and an entry from Hillfooter says dont feed with cut grass. As the chickens are now confined to a run and have denuded this of grass I pick a handful as I walk up the garden and give it to them. would this have the same effect as "Cut Grass"? Hillfotter - if you are our there do you have any advice
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Re: sour crop I think
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2011, 10:42 »
cut grass quickly turns sour so must be collected up after the hens have finished with it and before it starts to turn. Never give chickens long grass as this can cause impacted crop (if you watch a chicken eating grass it will just peck a small piece of at a time).
check your run for old grass cuttings and any mouldy food, also sour crop can be a sign of impacted crop as nothing or very little can get past the blockage, so keep an eye on her and keep massaging the crop and hopefully this will clear the problem.
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Re: sour crop I think
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2011, 14:39 »
Hi Joan,

This is a paste of the reply to your PM just in case someone else might benefit from it.

Basically it sounds like this hen has an impacted crop and if you have been feeding long fibrous grass this could well be the cause.  Never feed cut grass they need to snip it off in small pieces, same goes for hay too.  Never leave cut grass in their run as Joy rightly says as it ferments very quickly especially at this time of year when it contains lots of sugar & moisture.

Does the crop feel large (pendulous)and firm when pinched and if so it's almost certainly impacted crop.

Impacted crop is caused by a blockage in the hens crop or gizzard (the lower RHS front of the neck/ breast where the food is stored prior to passing into the gizzard and digestive system).  It is caused by eating something inappropriate like string nails or fibrous grass or even large shavings.  Some birds can be genetically disposed to crop impaction.  Sour crop occurs when the food in the crop ferments and this will cause a foul smell you may notice if you open her beak.  The bird generally stops eating and looks miserable and the crop feels stiff and solid.  Spooning warmed olive oil into the beak while gently massaging the crop can help free it.  Hold the bird upside down, massage and gently squeeze her crop to try and  disgorge the contents.  Serious impaction which can’t be shifted in this way can be surgically cleared with a simple operation which should only be performed by a veterinary surgeon. 

One novel treatment I’ve heard of involves feeding live maggots which eat the contents.  I 've no experience of this procedure but it was featured on a rescue hen site I once saw.

Forget the probiotic yogurt, apple cider vinegar garlic and other potions which will do no good and quite likely will do harm as a treatment.  the priority should be to clear the blockage and until that happens packing down more food will only make things worse.

Water is the most urgent requirement and will help with the blockage.  You might need to evacuate the crop three or so times before it returns to normal.

Once the bird is OK feed on moistened pellets for a couple of days before returning to the normal dry pellets and, it's most important if they are fed corn and are not free to range, to ensure they have insoluable grit available (crushed gravel from a feed merchants if necessary) so their gizzards are able to grind up their food properly.  Birds fed a proper diet are unlikely to have impacted crop so keep nutrition SIMPLE, layers pellets ad lib all day and mixed poultry corn in an evening a handful each no more and restrict treats and kitchen scraps to a very small amount in an evening only.  Don't worry about giving them grass, when all's well give them COOKED greens and potatoes rice, pasta or any thing with seeds in like peppers or melons all in moderation and the odd hung up cabbage.  They don't absolutely need greens despite what people say all the nutrition they need is in the pellets.  Treats such as cat food shouldn't be fed at all unless as a specific treatment for gross protein deficiency in an emergency.

Best of luck
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Re: sour crop I think
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2011, 22:50 »
Thanks for your suggestions - especially Hillfooter.
Lilly is still alive but still looking poorly - hunched up and eyes shut. I thought I would lose her last night as even her comb was looking floppy. I got her to drink a bit by taking drops of water off my finger or from a syringe. She even took a drink from her water bowl.  I have tipped her up and massaged her crop a few times today - much less and not so coloured liquid came out but still smelly - with a few blades of grass. Her crop is soft and but if I follow her neck up it feels hard and solid so I think the blockage may be higher up but I don't want to palpate it incase I crush some cartillage in her throat. She occasionally sways her neck from side to side and swallows so I think she is trying to swallow the blockage. I am just trying to keep her hydrated with a little sugar and salt in the water. She is just skin and bone now. I am going to get some magots tomorrow and give that a go.
I thought I was doing them a favour pulling grass fo them. I was planning to get a small run I can put them out on the grass for a couple of hours in the afternoon - I will speed this plan up as they do like grass with the other two young hens stretching through the netting and under the bottom board and door to reach the long grass growing around the sides of the pen.
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Joan

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Re: sour crop I think
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2011, 00:51 »
Hi Jaws,

Try this link which contains other things to try which might solve the problem if the crop massage / regurgitation isn't working.

http://fowlfacts.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=afflictiondiseaseff&action=display&thread=1188

HF

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Re: sour crop I think
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2011, 07:25 »
Joan, how is your hen doing now?  I hope she is improving.
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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2011, 23:11 »
Lilly is looking a little beter today - eyes more open but still hunched. no stinky fluid when I tip her up and massage her crop. She is even pecking back when I try and get her to drink - a good sign I think. I get some maggots but had to feed them into her beak individually - not like the other greedy girls who squabbled over the few I threw to them. She does not seem to be eating or drinking hardly at all and looks quite weak on her feet, she feels very light and is all boney. I hope she pulls through  :( 
Thanks for your support
Jaws


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