[woodburner]

I grew up with monarch apples in pies, mousse, cake, crumble, with custard or ice cream, as sauce with pork, and best of all baked with golden syrup and a bit of butter, mmmmmwwwah! Heaven on a plate! Well, in a dish, actually.

Mum has only one tree left and it doesn't crop much at all. I have three (the same age as Mum's) but two had kill or cure treatment some years ago (pollarded) and look a right mess, don't crop well, are huge, still have canker, and generally have got to go. The third I will try and rejuvenate, but I would like to have a replacement developing in case I kill it.
It would be nice to have one on dwarfing rootstock as I don't really like climbing ladders in the garden, but I'm not having any luck finding any at all.

Does anyone know where I can get one or two? Preferably on dwarfing rootstock, but any at all would be better than nowt.  Alternatively where could I get a half dozen or so suitable rootstocks to graft my own onto?

If I get really desperate is there any point trying to propagate from cuttings?

[GrannieAnnie]

Sorry I can't help answer your question Woody, but have just moved this over to Grow Your Own rather than the welcome forum!  

Hope someone knows.  You could try contacting someone like Ken Muir Nurseries in Essex or Victoriana in Kent, they are very knowledgeable people and have websites with contact Numbers on.  They may be able to help if that don't know themselves.

Good luck with it!!!

[woodburner]

:oops: Oops! Thanks! No idea how I got there lol.   :!:  :shock:

[mumofstig]

Keepers Nursery in Maidstone kent do them but sold out for this winter      (keepers-nursery.co.uk)

Hope you find one sounds nice apple some rate it better than Bramley  and partially self fertile....that's got to help

[Martin]

Crown Nursery LINK near Ipswich have them listed. Maybe not too far from you?
Also Bernwode Plants (LINK) appear to have them.

[mikem]

 Aren't people helpful!  

[woodburner]

 Aren't people helpful!  

Especially here.
Thanks, folks, I have found a couple of places, thanks to your leads and links, but those I could find prices for are a bit pricey, but, also thanks to your leads  etc. I have found somewhere that sells rootstocks, more than I expected, pricewise, but still much cheaper than the trees and I can choose my own type. I might try propagating a couple of coxes as well.

Just one more question, I can remember how to graft but not when. Part of me seems to think the sap should be flowing but part thinks that the rootstock and scion should be dormant, I can't figure it out. Anyone know?   :?

[SG6]

Brogdale will graft to any of their apples to any rootstock.
Since they hold the national collection they have a good selection of apples.
Not sure when they graft but I have bought all of mine from them and all have grown.
Probably worth an enquiry.

[Swing Swang]

Or have a go at grafting them yourself. Not particularly difficult and quite fun. If you plant up a 'sucker' that grows from beneath the graft scion, then graft onto that, you'll be able to keep the same rootstock too.

Whilst on holiday in Rhodes I saw a tree that had about seven types of citrus grafted onto the same rootstock.

Regards,

SS

[peter james]

woodburner hope you dont mind me asking where have you found that sell rootstock i have tryed to find a supplyer last spring but couldn't .i was just going to try buying some cheep apple trees from aldi or lidl just for there rootstock and grafting to them but wern't sure it would work. thanks .p,j,

p,s
     do you think i could cut below a graft and regraft to that do you think it would work  :?: .. thanks p,j,

[Teen76]

I'm a bit of a Net Junkie :oops: and so looked up Monarch for you to see if I could find anywhere you could buy a tree.  Hope these links are of use, let me know if they aren't and I'll try again.


Bernwode Plants
Keepers Nursery
Triscombe Nurseries

[woodburner]

Peter, this is the only place I've found but there must surely be others :-
http://www.blackmoor.co.uk/index.php?cPath=320

I don't know about cutting and regrafting below the original graft, but I'm sure you could graft onto the branches, I think it's called stub grafting. My soil is a bit heavy so unless such plants have the rootstock named, I think I will be better off with buying the rootstocks separately.

[Porcia]

I was going to suggest Brogdale as well. Just picked up a Beauty of bath  

http://www.brogdale.org/nfc_home.php

[woodburner]

Teen76 I think I'm going to go with the rootstocks, but thanks for looking
I looked at brogdale but couldn't find actual trees for sale :?
They do have an advice line that I will try and remember to phone on Friday. Advice line link.

[Swing Swang]

Good evening Woodburner,

Just in case my last post wasn't too clear.

I was thinking that sometimes you get a sucker thrown up from under the scion which will be the original rootstock. This sucker could either be bent over and pegged to the ground until it roots and used as the new rootstock; or could be scarred,rubbed in rooting powder and wrapped in potting compost and plastic until it roots (I think it's called air layering). once you've got a healthy root stock you could graft a part of the tree from above the scion.

It would take a year or two to get the rootstock, so it would be a long-winded process, and if your tree is badly diseased to start with then perhaps not a good idea. I still think that it would be fun because then you'd have and exact cop of what you knew you liked and was doing well.

Regards,

SS