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allotmentvegigirl

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« on: April 06, 2008, 16:44 »
Hello! I’m another newie that has just been given my first (half Plot) allotment. After reading some messages I realise I am very very lucky not only waiting less than one year but the plot is in tip top condition. So I have about a two week period before the keys are handed over and the hard work begins. This is where I need any body’s help (please!) Living in a flat with no garden I have no tools and just as must experience. I went to B&Q this morning and felt a bit lost. Not wanting to waste a minute when I have the keys in hand – what can I be starting off now (with the help of a sunny window seal at home) would love to meet new poeple in the same boat and swop funny (i'm sure) stories regarding lottie heaven!

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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2008, 18:42 »
Hi there and welcome.
Congrats on your new plot, like you this is my first year of growing and my first recommendation is to get yourself a good book on growing your own.
I can honestly recommend John Harrison's Vegetable Growing Month By month (The guy whose web site this is, if you didn't know), as it is very well written and easy to follow or one my father used to use which is called The Vegetable and Herb Expert by D.G. Hessayon.

At the moment I have started indoors:-
Tomatoes
Peppers
Broad beans
Dwarf beans
Aubergines
Courgettes

In portable/plastic greenhouse:-
Red cabbage
Brussels
Purple brocolli
Leeks

On the plot itself I have sown:-
Parsnips
Early carrots
Onion sets
Early and Main spuds
Rocket/ Radishes/Lettuce under cover

Bear in mind I am new to this too so don't take this as gospel, but hope this helps anyway :)
Roses are red, violets are blue, sugar is sweet, and so are you.
But the roses are wilting, the violets are dead, the sugar bowl's empty, and so is your head.

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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2008, 20:14 »
Carol Klein's book How to grow veg is brilliant. You definitely need a book.

Also try to get the odd gardening magazine.

I've got Tomatoes, Courgettes, chillis and aubergines started on windowsill in my conservatory. Also herbs and strawberries, and some purple sprouting broccoli. Got some broad beans going great guns in the cloche, even though i was a bit early with them Also growing some marigolds to grow near my toms and chilli's to stop whitefly!

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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2008, 23:26 »
Hiya

Actually, I'm in EXACTLY the same boat: just took over half a plot, literally put my spade in the ground a week ago (last monday)!

The only tools I've bought so far are a good shovel and fork - have to lug them back and forth as I don't have a secure shed, but it's worth having those good basics as I need to dig through my plot.

Definitely go introduce yourself to people every time you're there - there's a whole community out there! My allotment neighbours have been AMAZINGLY helpful with advice and tools too though (and seeds and all sorts of stuff!!)

Do a bit of reading before you plant, as it'll be worth planning where you're going to plant what, so that you can rotate your crops. Fairly easy to get the basics from John's book, and Hessayon's Vegetable and Herb Expert (though I bought WAY too many books... many of them say the same stuff). Doing a little sketch of your plan (even if it changes) is well useful.

The overriding advice I've had so far is: get the potatoes and onions in soon. So I started by digging a big patch for those and planting the potatoes with quite a bit of manure. One of my allotment neighbours advised to throw in some shredded newspaper with them - keeps the earth moist and the printer's ink repels slugs, allegedly. I'd already done mine, so hopefully a handful of slug pellets will be enough to deter them.

You can get good seeds on eBay - check out the various sellers; most will only charge you postage once if you order a whole lot of seeds together, and there are some that do an assortment of veg at really good prices. (Not for the growing connoisseurs that want to grow rare and exotic varieties... but I'm happy to start off basic!!)

I'm planning to get onion sets (bulbs) into the beds this week, carry on digging more beds for other vegetables, and sowing lots in pots in the meantime.

Oh, and take before and after pics each day to keep reminding yourself of how much progress you're making! It's wonderful to see how much difference just a couple of hours makes.... and keep us all posted on how it's going!!

Happy digging and growing
Lisa

Progress on http://serengetisnail.blogspot.com

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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2008, 09:23 »
Hi there folks some good advice already here a good book is always a good idea the books already mentioned are all good another one particularly good if space is limited is Joy Larkoms the Vegetable Garden Displayed.

If anyone needs any specific advice on particular vegetables or growing in general your more than welcome to e-mail me if you wish i dont profess to have all the answers but i have been growing veg since i was 5 (39 yrs) was the fourth generation of my family to have an allotment (not the same one) and i have a library of over 300 books so i should find an answer somewhere lol :)
Everyone should grow their own veg and know where their food is coming from even if it is only a one pot on a patio or balcony Grow Something!!

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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2008, 09:34 »
Don''t go overboard buying tools to start with.

Basics include a fork, spade, rake, hoe and hand trowel. Why not scour some car boot sales and try to get some second hand one's? Especially if you will be leaving them at your plot as I'm afraid things may get stolen.

I always use a border fork and spade for digging as they are a bit smaller and not so heavy to use as the full size one's.

As time goes on, you will see what other tools you may need as well as other stuff like twine etc.

As someone else said take photos at every stage, also do a rough plan, don't overdo it at first and label everything you plant.
Lynne.

So much to do, but so little time.

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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2008, 11:54 »
I recommend John's book as well.

You could try asking on freecycle for tools etc, last year I asked for a water butt, none on offer but I got 2 good sized barrels which can be used for water collection.

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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2008, 20:46 »
Wilkinsons and Home Bargains both sell a full size spade and fork as a set for £6.  Wilkinsons have other budget tools as well.  May be cheap and cheerful, but they would do until you decide what you may need in the longer term and cheap to replace if they get pinched.

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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2008, 20:50 »
Thanks for all the advise.  Going shopping for the basic tools at the weekend (spade/fork).  I have also ordered some books on line.  I just can't ait to get started! and lets hope we have had all the snow!! :wink:

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allotmentvegigirl

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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2008, 21:14 »
Hello fivespud364

Thanks! I'm sure I will have loads of questions  :oops: when I'm up and running -

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« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2008, 22:02 »
Make a list of all your favourite vegetables, and then look them up to see how easy they are to grow.  Also, make a list of any you and your household really hate, and don't plant  them under any circumstances!

T&M sent me a nice voucher when I emailed for a catalogue a couple of weeks ago, as did Brown's.  Alternatively, try places like Wilko (I think they're doing 3 for 2 at the moment) or Lidl for cheap seed.  Simply turning up at the allotment site on a Saturday and looking enthusiastic (if you can bring a jug of homebrew, that'll help) might be good for a few plants from people who've oversown.  If you know anyone near Didcot, I'm up to my eyeballs in chilli plants at the moment, and probably other things later in the month.

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Joy Larkom as a good basic book (something like "grow your own vegetables").  Plus that great favourite - whatever's in the library, or cheap in a charity shop.

Get a good spade and fork - wave them around a bit in the shop to make sure they balance nicely and are the right size for you (if you're short, get a short handle; if you're tall, tear your hair out and wreck your back, because IIRC my mother who's only 6'1" had to make her own handle to fit her).  Same for a rake (get the sort with fairly short teeth, not the springy sort for raking leaves up) - if it's too heavy at the head it's very unwieldy to use, although you can add a counterweight at the butt end to help.

I'd suggest you get half-trays or modules to sow seed in, as full-sized pans are too big for most things.  Plus you'll want some gravel trays to keep your window sills clean.  Alternatively, start saving plastic punnets and tubs from the supermarket (hummous tubs are a good size for things you only want a few of).

A trowel is very useful, and a hand fork is pretty handy too (they often come as a set) for planting things and for digging out individual weeds. Try to scrounge up a few bits of wood to make dibbers (pointy sticks for prodding planting holes).  One the size of a broom handle is right for leeks and brassicas, and a small, pencil sized, one for seeds and small seedlings.  You can use dry branches or anything really, and sharpen them with a stanley knife.  If you're bored on a rainy day, you can make them neat with sandpapered ends and lathe-turned handles, but any old stick with a rough point sharpened will do the job.

Watering can: make sure it's one you can lift comfortably!  If it's a long way from your plot to the standpipe, have one for each hand (or a bucket that you refill from) to save you journeys.

Scrounge or buy some timber for a compost bin.  Four good uprights (fence-post sized) and some planks or boards.  Plus some preservative.  There's often timber on freecycle.  As a stop-gap, a cardboard packing crate is better than nothing, and will buy you a month or two before it rots.

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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2008, 22:15 »
Stripey.. That was nearly as good as johns book! :lol:
Life begins... On the kitchen windowsill.


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