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Title: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: John on September 07, 2010, 14:16
There seems to be a bewildering number of makes of small tractors around at all sorts of prices. Any suggestions as to best make etc welcome.
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: arugula on September 07, 2010, 15:40
Just a thought, I would still need to go and do some homework, but what do you envisage this tractor doing, John?

Is it for plodding across a muddy field, towing a biggish trailer and to what weight, or with a spike attached carrying a bale of feed/silage or something with bucket or loader forks at the front or the capability to attach and detach some or all of such equipment?

Its just that nowadays you get  machines which aren't even described as tractors which will do most or all of these things.

:)
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: AndyRVTR on September 07, 2010, 15:55
IMO.... Kubota every time... I've worked for a number of landscape gardening companies and these things seem to be bomb-proof...  :D
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: John on September 07, 2010, 16:28
I'm not quite sure what we'll be doing with it - main uses I can see are for re-seeding some of the pasture, so ploughing, harrowing etc.

We're not looking at horses or cattle so no huge manure piles to shift or so on.

I've seen Kubota on ebay and they look the business but always best to see what those in the know think.
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: arugula on September 07, 2010, 16:48
The reason I asked is that I had this (http://www.avanttecno.com/www/index.php?PAGE=19&LANG=2) sort of thing in mind without even looking further. :) Boss bought one a couple of years ago, mainly for hiring out. I'm not sure, off the top of my head which model it is, but it is one of the articulated ones, which I think has to be a really useful feature, for instance in tighter spaces. It also has an array of attachments available - loader forks, bucket, digger bucket, auger etc....

:)
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: Goldfinger on September 07, 2010, 18:21

Kubota's are bomb-proof, or if you can stretch that bit further a John Deere  :D. I used to work  on another farm years ago and he would have anything else. Over previous years he's had Masseys', Cases' even a Renault  :tongue2:.

He stuck with JD's and has never looked back  :lol:


If you win the lottery, go for a fendt  ;) they are the rolls royce of the tractor world  8)
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: ACatCalledElvis on September 07, 2010, 18:47
sounding boring now - but in the same position - have looked at the Chinese ones - they suffer from being not so sturdy - but cheap and affordable - 8k - for a 20 hp with rototiller, topper, plough and lifting tipper - but...........................affordable tractors at bristol do smallholder packages of second hand tractors - cheaper and possibly better?

I have really struggled to find online references for chinese tractors - I am tempted but not before some form of recomendation

Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: Trillium on September 07, 2010, 19:19
Kubotas are really tough small tractors but even used they cost a lot more than most folk are prepared to spend. We have a small John Deere and really like it. Parts are readily available everywhere, same with service shops, even just for information. We've had Whites and Masseys in the past, but White parts are hard to find now and Masseys are riding on past reputation.
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: marek on September 07, 2010, 19:43
Just got a old Kubota myself, expensive for what it is really.  Probably paid more than I should, but I was new to tractors and bigger machinery and quite naive.  Bought a copy of tractor and machinery magazine last month and the classified section is huge, and gives you a good idea of the sort of prices you should be paying, certainly the prices are less than ebay.  Spares and repairs is something you should take into account, I'm honestry struggling to get 2nd hand bits without paying through the nose for kubota.  Spares for older fergies 35 or 135, fordsons, david browns, internationals etc etc are much more reasonable and plentiful too.  The electronics are much simpler so not too many gremlins to iron out.  These things have been around for decades and have quite a following, and cheaper to purchase too.  Next time I will be going this road.

Chinese tractors?  Heard some reports that the electrics are prone to all sorts, not seen first hand mind you.  They do however look good value on the face of it.

Question is what sort of implements do you want to run and what power on the pto do they require? Do you want 4 wheel drive or will 2 do?
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: Rangerkris on September 07, 2010, 20:04
Had a kubota and it was bomb proof loved it to bits,now got a John Deere hmm not to sure on this at the moment apart from today as it has a cab where the kubota didn't have one.
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: joyfull on September 07, 2010, 20:55
Look around locally when you move - there are still alot of the little grey fergies around in Wales, and parts and attachments are still available. Failing that then I would opt for a John Deere.
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: John on September 07, 2010, 20:56
As a general rule I prefer to go for good second hand rather than new - especially with cars that depreciate hugely in year one. Picked up an 8hp MTD shredder for £460 (new about £970) and it's literally as good as new.

Great tip on the tractor magazine - thanks marek
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: smud6ie on September 08, 2010, 07:53
The price of spares is definatly a consideration, I have a Kubots B7100 and a MF135 and the price of  just piston rings and a head gasket for the former is £200 while a complete rebuild kit for the latter is the same :
Ebay Link (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MASSEY-FERGUSON-135-TRACTOR-PERKINS-ENGINE-KIT-FULL_W0QQitemZ120619011755QQcategoryZ121875QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DDLSL%252BSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BIEW%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D8%26pmod%3D120614045318%252B120614045318%26po%3D%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D5836719064181716787)

Buying a used Kubota or any  small 4x4 ,(Iseki are OK) is a minefield with lots of grey imports being offered for sale which is not a disaster but no one should go looking for  a tractor without being aware of the facts .
It took me 5 years of looking before I found a suitable Kubota,I looked at quite a few on Auction sites and looking at some in the flesh bore no resemblance to their descriptions  and I found faults with others that only and experianced mechanic could have found.
Check out www.orangetractortalks.com for some very useful info on Kubota's
I note in a earlier post that a company selling used tractors was mentioned ,I know someone who bought from them and their experience was not a pleasant one,I will say no more!!!
smud6ie

Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: mike1987 on September 08, 2010, 12:33
john deere woud be my choice my old work had 2 both over 30 years old and were going realy strong even after been used for arround 30 hours a week with a mutitude of differnt usses the smaller one had atachments for just about everything wherethe larger one was used mainly for large scale grass cutting and for towing a largish trailer unfortunatly the bigger one died the death and had to be replaced with a bigger cheaper new one made by new holland it diddnt have the soul of the john deere but id did have air con and a cd player
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: tedsdad on September 08, 2010, 14:12
agree with most of the above for me a fergie 35 or better still 135 cant be beat the jap stuffs great till it needs fixing.One small question,do you need atractor?Will you  do that much arable stuff? Contractors\neighbours etc. aren't that dear.You might get more use out an agricutural quad.They're used by everyone in the shropshire hills( though I know when you ride around on your tractor,you do feel like a real farmer!)
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: jimbeekeeper on September 08, 2010, 14:45
One small question,do you need atractor?

I was in the same situation as you, but in the end realised that for what I needed and times it would be used, I could beg borrow or steal one for far less over 10 years than I would pay for one + its up-keep
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: John on September 08, 2010, 15:43
Hmm, that's a very good point.
One small question,do you need a tractor?

I suppose we'll be best checking out the neighbours and so forth first. But you've got to admit, a tractor is a real step up from a Merry Tiller :)
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: Trillium on September 08, 2010, 16:57
Definitely. I still can't picture you riding around on a Merry  :lol:

But seriously, even a small tractor with power takeoff will do a lot of work for you, even power a log splitter. Just find someone who's good with welding and get a simple one made rather than buy a commercial brand. My dad made his and used it until he passed away. A neighbour bought it as my very little tractor doesn't have PTO  :( The tractor can also do any snow blowing or scraping for you.

We bought a small tractor trailer, the axles made from a cut down car frame, wood sides and removeable back added, and I've lost track of how many jobs that trailer has done for me. More than paid its cost back. When the tires finally wore out, I called up a local tire supplier and got a set of almost new tires (the right size) for $40. Price was low as there was only the 2 tires rather than a useful 4. I couldn't manage on my sloping property without that trailer, and a 2nd one that's a dumper that I bought.
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: Goldfinger on September 08, 2010, 19:49

OK, stab in the dark, but if you're not needing a front loader, 3 point linkage and PTO. What about one of those JD alligators? 6 wheels and a tipping body on the back.

I nearly suggested a Unimog  ???  :blink: , they've got a PTO, 3 point linkage, go anywhere and will do 55mph on the road, but 

But I'm getting carried away now...............
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: John on September 09, 2010, 13:39
Unimogs!! Mercedes? Das ist very expensive, Englander  ::)
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: Gwiz on September 10, 2010, 16:40
There are a whole host of assemble it yourself Chinese tractors around at the moment.
John Deere's hold their price so are quite expensive to buy second hand.
Massey Ferguson are good (we use a few of those)
New Holland are Fords both are fine.
Kubotas are good, but very much like John Deere price-wise.

looking around a few months ago, I found that you could get a "tractor in a box" with a warranty, for less than a second hand compact tractor of quite a "vintage" I'd go for the new one.
Give me ring, John, if you want me to look into it further. I also know a second hand tractor dealer that may be able to help out if you want something.
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: John on September 11, 2010, 00:56
Thanks a bundle Gwiz :)
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: Thrift on September 11, 2010, 07:17
We bought a new Kubota 20yrs ago, stupidly sold it when we moved about 10yrs later and it is still in daily use and going strong.
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: Gwiz on September 12, 2010, 12:22
John, these are the tractors I read about in the trade magazine. They seem to be a very reasonable little beastie.

Have a look-see.


http://www.siromer.net/compact-tractors.htm
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: John on September 12, 2010, 12:30
Interesting - thanks Gwiz.

If I got one of those self assembly tractors, would you like a fortnight's holiday in N Wales (bring your toolkit!) :)
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: Gwiz on September 12, 2010, 12:31
Damn right I would. ;)
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: Bigbadfrankie on September 17, 2010, 22:20
A YTO. A new belt driven 20hp £2.5K but cannot be used on the road. They look like yamnar copies.
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: John on September 17, 2010, 23:56
Those YTO look interesting - seems everything is made in China nowadays :)
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: Junie on September 18, 2010, 13:12
We have been looking at compact tractors too - with the added disadvantage of being in France, all Kubota second hands tend to be very expensive , very old and not very powerful.  We are currently looking at a Mahindra, which is more powerful and seem more robustly built that the Iseki that we have seen.

Looking at getting second hand shipped down from the UK with topper, front loader and link box!  Works out better than getting one in France.

All reviews seen of Mahindra seem good, has anyone got any first hand experience?
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: Bigbadfrankie on September 19, 2010, 18:46
I was going to get a YTO two wheeled tractor. The importer is near here and I went round to look at them. Fro the money I think they are OK. The two wheeled tractor comes with a rotovator and a two furrow plough. At 15hp it would boe great for up to about 2acres and is only about £1500
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: ACatCalledElvis on September 30, 2010, 18:37
If I get my tractor though - what is the best way of securing it against theft? We recently moved here and the neighbours have been warning us about equipment theft
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: Yorkie on September 30, 2010, 18:51
I was listening to something on the radio in the last week or so.  A policeman from (if I recall correctly) the rural crime task force said that one reason farm machinery is being targeted so often, is that there is a universal key - so not a different key for each item. 

Might be worth googling this rural crime policing group, and asking the NFU for any advice they have too.
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: mumofstig on September 30, 2010, 18:54
they did an item about this on countryfile at the w/e...........most still be for viewing on net.
I think they were marking them with the tractor equivalent of smartwater.
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: ACatCalledElvis on September 30, 2010, 19:05
yes - thinking of contacting the NFU tomorrow - I think they do a marker system of some sorts - I was thinking of what could I do of a physical nature to stop my tractor (when I get it) wandering?

Are there wheel clamps? or a way of immobolising it?
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: joyfull on September 30, 2010, 19:23
you could fit a tracker device, many lorries and items of plant have these fitted now.
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: ACatCalledElvis on September 30, 2010, 19:25
Any ideas where/what I would find out about these?
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: joyfull on September 30, 2010, 19:28
take a look at this site  :)

http://www.vehicletrackingsystems.org.uk/
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: ACatCalledElvis on September 30, 2010, 19:32
cheers - thank you
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: joyfull on September 30, 2010, 19:52
having a tracker allows you to check on your computer where your lorry/roller/tractor etc is  :)
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: tedsdad on October 02, 2010, 06:37
If I get my tractor though - what is the best way of securing it against theft? We recently moved here and the neighbours have been warning us about equipment theft

Farm security is something to be looked at as a whole .Obviously insure the expensive stuff,cos if someone's determined,you're going to lose it.It's strange,but some people get a reputation for being a bit slapdash,whereas others are known for the opposite.As a rule theives wont cruise round the countryside with a lowloader,they have a good idea of a likely target,and they're going to get that from local word of mouth.Personally,you won't get to see our place until you get past  1) The geese       2) The dogs        3)  The wife.
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: ACatCalledElvis on October 02, 2010, 12:33
will chickens, the cats and then the wife do?

 :nowink:
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: rowlandwells on November 01, 2010, 17:48
i started collecting vintage tractors about 20years ago both my wife and my mother gave me the money to buy our first tractor it was a grey Ferguson T20 the it needed an engine rebuild but lucky for me a friend of ours is a tractor Gerrie he rebuilt the engine and its still going strong  today [i registered it in my wife's name] creep creep ;)

we then had a bit of a windfall so i bought another 3 T20's and a David brown 950  our last acquisition was a Ferguson 35f with the gold engine i then ran out of spare cash  the T20 and 35f are used regularly on the lottie mainly in the summer [no cabs] the David Brown is used for ploughing only [no cab]i wouldn't be without my fergie's they save me a lot of work on the lottie i have a number of implements all old stock nothing modern :happy: 

i think there a copy of the 35 made by TAF tractors don't know what price they are probably need to re-mortgage the house to buy one still have many hours of work to restore the rest of the tractors to there original glory hopefully when i retire from work :D
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: Junie on November 01, 2010, 19:19
We took delivery of our compact tractor last week and had the technical bod over for the morning to check it over and help us with it as it is our first!!
Lookig forward to using it!
BTW it is a Mahindra 254 and we have a front loader, rear link box and a topper.
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: John on November 02, 2010, 00:11
rowlandwells - have you not thought about stamp collecting? Takes up less room :)
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: Trillium on November 02, 2010, 03:02
..and stamps are easier to hide than a tractor   :lol:

I read the tractor theft part with interest as we rarely get tractor thefts around here. If you're talking 4 wheelers - lock yours up tight because they're always the first to go, followed closely by snowmobiles. Next on the list is cattle. Yep, cattle rustling is alive and kicking, unfortunately. My mother almost had her black angus herd stolen many years ago but she heard the truck sneaking up the driveway late at night, woke my dad, who ran out with rifle blasting. they couldn't see a thing but heard the truck roaring out of the driveway. The thieves had even black-taped all the lights.
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: ACatCalledElvis on November 03, 2010, 14:47
took delivery of my Yanmar today!!! shame its to wet to cut/dig anything!!!
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: elibump on November 03, 2010, 18:32
We have been looking at compact tractors too - with the added disadvantage of being in France, all Kubota second hands tend to be very expensive , very old and not very powerful.  We are currently looking at a Mahindra, which is more powerful and seem more robustly built that the Iseki that we have seen.

Looking at getting second hand shipped down from the UK with topper, front loader and link box!  Works out better than getting one in France.

All reviews seen of Mahindra seem good, has anyone got any first hand experience?

Have you tried Le bon coin? 
http://www.leboncoin.fr/ 

You can often get good deals on second hand stuff over here.

(Sorry John, this doesn't help you at all :()

Eli xx
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: Junie on November 03, 2010, 19:55
We have been looking at compact tractors too - with the added disadvantage of being in France, all Kubota second hands tend to be very expensive , very old and not very powerful.  We are currently looking at a Mahindra, which is more powerful and seem more robustly built that the Iseki that we have seen.

Looking at getting second hand shipped down from the UK with topper, front loader and link box!  Works out better than getting one in France.

All reviews seen of Mahindra seem good, has anyone got any first hand experience?

Have you tried Le bon coin? 
http://www.leboncoin.fr/ 

You can often get good deals on second hand stuff over here.

(Sorry John, this doesn't help you at all :()

Eli xx

Thanks Elibump, we had been looking for months, but everything was so expensive or anything in our price range was 20+ years old!
We have bought a Mahindra through an english company, but it was located in France, so did not cost a fortune on delivery - It only has about 45 hours on it and the previous owner is selling up and going back to the UK - There are quite a few of those at the moment!

I will look at Leboncoin for other stuff though!
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: Junie on November 30, 2010, 16:27
Thought I'd put  piccy of our tractor - it's not had much use, everything is too wet - here's looking forward to spring!
WE had a half day instruction on it, which was useful.
My OH with his new toy, and my eldest - who cannot wait to have a go!
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: John on November 30, 2010, 23:09
Our neighbours had a plough delivered here as they can't get it to there place due to the weather. Anyway, they then made the offer to lend me their tractor anytime I want!
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: Junie on December 01, 2010, 06:25
That's good news, what lovely neighbours
That's the best type of tractor!
It saves all those difficult decisions!
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: joyfull on December 01, 2010, 07:08
oooh thats handy  :)
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: James W on December 01, 2010, 15:00
It may be worth your while to consider a 2-wheel tractor as a very good alternative to a larger and heavier 4 wheel machine. There are some very versatile models on the market that will not only cultivate large plots but also accept a range of accessories from mowing decks to sit-on, tow-behind trailers. Two-wheel tractors are often favoured by many market gardeners, vineyard and olive grove owners in the hilly argicultural areas of the Mediterranean. The machines are very manoeuvrable and perform a wide range of tasks. There are quite a number of different machines available in the U.K.,
Title: Re: Small Tractors - what make?
Post by: rowlandwells on December 01, 2010, 15:05
that really looks the business by the piccy