[philskin]

The black bolts are were i believe the guide fits on

 

  this is how i think it goes ,or is this pinching the belt to much

 

  on this one when you pull the lever it just jams the belt into the guide
 

 

 

 

 and here you can see the bolts just dont line up ,but the problem is untill i get the parts book i dont know how much of the guide is missing thanks for looking  help please its doing my head in 

[dorimower]

Hello Phil,                                                                                                                                         The second photo doesn't look right with the belt over the middle bit....looks better in the 3rd photo.??...

Could it be that the belt is a wrong un??  Does it look a bit long??   I wonder if that was a past attempt to get it to come out of drive without the guide....the operating manual being anotated with belt numbers and Qualcat ref perhaps suggests that a troubled belt search has taken place in the past.??

Perhaps a pm to Richard T may be a way forward.??  He is the MT guru busy amasing info in support of MT   www.merrytiller.co.uk

Hopefully the manual you have found will provide the answers too 

All the best,
  "Dori"                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

[philskin]

thanks for that ive been wondering about the belt ,my sanity ,why do we exist oh god ,hurry up and arrive manual 

[dorimower]

Restoration projects tend to go a bit like this...just when all is sailing along.....it matters not whether it is in this scene or another....ask the NRM about how they are doing with the Flying Scotsman locomotive....or the battles that the Avro Vulcan team have had....

Meanwhile, I have been pondering over a tell tale wear line in the crankcase side that is visible in the first photo..??

 
"Dori"  ...on here.

[philskin]

Meanwhile, I have been pondering over a tell tale wear line in the crankcase side that is visible in the first photo..??

 
"Dori"  ...on here. Wink

 what do you mean could that be done by the position of the belt or do you meam theres problems with the engine ?   

[dorimower]

Oops, no....I had best try to explain

 In puzzling out what went where etc I noticed that there is a slight worn? line in the crankcase side running horizontal forward from about level with the back dowel peg....I did not mean I had spotted any nasty damage...I just was thinking that this had been caused quite naturally in service by the chatter of a bracket fitting and was trying to use this as a reference to see how things fitted on...that's all...

.....panic not....hopefully..  

"Dori"

[philskin]

thanks dori had me having kittens there lol

[Gwiz]

Hello Phil,                                                                                                                                         The second photo doesn't look right with the belt over the middle bit....looks better in the 3rd photo.??...

Could it be that the belt is a wrong un??  Does it look a bit long??   I wonder if that was a past attempt to get it to come out of drive without the guide....the operating manual being anotated with belt numbers and Qualcat ref perhaps suggests that a troubled belt search has taken place in the past.??

Perhaps a pm to Richard T may be a way forward.??  He is the MT guru busy amasing info in support of MT   www.merrytiller.co.uk

Hopefully the manual you have found will provide the answers too 

All the best,
  "Dori"                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ditto all of the above Phil.
Also ditto regarding the belt. It does sound like it's too long........
Ah, and sorry about the delay getting back to you, It's been very busy around here for the past few days!! :blink:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

[philskin]

Hello Phil,                                                                                                                                         The second photo doesn't look right with the belt over the middle bit....looks better in the 3rd photo.??...

Could it be that the belt is a wrong un??  Does it look a bit long??   I wonder if that was a past attempt to get it to come out of drive without the guide....the operating manual being anotated with belt numbers and Qualcat ref perhaps suggests that a troubled belt search has taken place in the past.??

Perhaps a pm to Richard T may be a way forward.??  He is the MT guru busy amasing info in support of MT   www.merrytiller.co.uk

Hopefully the manual you have found will provide the answers too 

All the best,
  "Dori"                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ditto all of the above Phil.
Also ditto regarding the belt. It does sound like it's too long........
Ah, and sorry about the delay getting back to you, It's been very busy around here for the past few days!! :blink:
                                             

 hope youve been busy in the garden graham ,not grabbing at work lol                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

[dorimower]

Now it is my turn to get worried....as everything is arriving in weirdly disjointed Quote mode. ..

Hello Graham,
        I am just not deeply enough familiar with this model other than to fit it in an 'istorical time line in my head
 ...But on a n other forum with another "hat" on I did have a bit of a worry that there may have been an unknown engine or block or crankcase sideplate transplant in some unknown past history.??..my thought there was of the 4 alternative threaded mounting holes that are around some engines side covers..as a location for the guide.?? 
 I then wandered away from that thought to crankcase bolt mounting idea.?..spaced off as is done on some machines...such as on the Little Wonder Edgers... I have even thought since that there may have been another additional bracket.??

 I am still unsure but hoping it all comes out ok in the wash when Phil gets the manual...

Thinking a bit further Phil....the bracket in an earlier photo was pictured in postion in the cover...  With the bracket returned to cover and the whole lot offered up...where does that put the guides position.??

All the best
           "Dori"

[philskin]

I have just sent an email to the chap who gave me the rotovator  to check that belt , guide and engine are all as they should be  ie original 

[dorimower]

Meanwhile,....reading on another thread I see that forum member "Big Zook" has a couple of MT Cadets.. http://chat.allotment-garden.org/index.php?topic=39636.0   I wonder if their bracketry is the same.??....and if a photo could be procurred.??

[philskin]

Meanwhile,....reading on another thread I see that forum member "Big Zook" has a couple of MT Cadets.. http://chat.allotment-garden.org/index.php?topic=39636.0   I wonder if their bracketry is the same.??....and if a photo could be procurred.??

thanks for the link dorri dont know how i missed that ,ive sent zook a pm hopefully may get a clue soon
 ive been looking at that wear line and lined the guard up against it and the bottom bolt hole on the engine pic would line up in the lug was still there ,so i might just have to weld an L piece on the top of the bracket to line up with the  bolt above  things is looking up

   

[philskin]

ALL will be revealed tonite when the wife brings the camera back

[philskin]

book arrived this morning and confirmed what i had been feeling ,it was the wrong belt guide . So a little bit of my non engineering skills were called for and seeing as it was the wrong guide i had nothing to lose , so out came the grinder and drill i worked out were it needed to be and started drilling a hole to line it up with the bolt . Took the bolt out and found this now to be to short ,so found a length of threaded bar and re threaded it to suit using tap and die set . then wound the bar tight into the engine using 2 locked nuts and put a nut on it winding it up tight , this then left a stud sticking out to mount the guide on . Once the guide was on i could see how much of the guide i would have to remove ,marked it out and cut it off removing all the rough edges after.  Then in the one remaining lug left on the guide i put a nut and bolt to mount the front cover on to .

 

  here you can see the piece i cut out and the stud i put in

 

  the bolt to fasten cover to

 

  the belt on and pinches it together quiet nicely

 

  belt in working position just clearing the top and plenty on the bottom

 

  cover on and well secured

 

  just needs another coat of white paint on engine then a coat of laquer and finally the decals and bobs your auntie  didnt we do well ,on the hunt for my next rotavator now

ps the one other good thing about buying the parts guide was that it showed that this was the right way round for the guide and that the chap before was trying to put it on back to front and so had i because thats how i thought it was