Allotment Gardening Advice Help Chat
Chatting => Chatting on the Plot => Topic started by: Subversive_plot on February 23, 2021, 00:11
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A half million US dead from COVID. More than all US battlefield deaths from the First and Second World Wars and Vietnam war, combined.
Things are getting better. I hope everyone gets their vaccine soon. Stay safe, stay well everyone.
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It's so very sad, and that many people were led to believe that it wasn't a lethal infection. It's still happening everywhere as well, I find it hard to understand that people would rather believe someone on Twitter/Facebook or Youtube than scientists/specialists from around the world.
I hope things continue to improve for your country, ours and everywhere, once vaccines are more freely available.
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Most of my friends, Worzel and me too, are of a certain age ::) and have had their first jab.
It’s a good feeling to know that we are beginning to ‘get there’ !
Our UK death rate has been bad, around 1,800 per million - US is about 1,500 per million. So the US is not as bad as that huge number suggests, SP.
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To anyone who may be "on the fence" regarding getting the jab, please, just go get it when you can! To those that already have, thank you!
I do understand that the numbers in the UK are worse than over here. I'm concerned for you folks also!
I have signed up to receive the vaccine, but my risk group has not come up yet. Actual vaccine distribution is being controlled locally, state-by-state, Georgia is unfortunately one of the states that is farthest behind.
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Yes, the UK has been fast off the blocks with the vaccine roll out.
Stay safe while you wait SP.
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I do understand that the numbers in the UK are worse than over here. I'm concerned for you folks also!
It's very difficult to compare countries - even assuming that everyone was keeping to the same method of recording deaths. Population age and health profile is a big factor in outcomes but population density is a big factor in initial infection rates.
Dense urban populations will inevitably have a higher R number than sparsely populated rural areas. Hence areas of Wales like Gwynedd and Ceridigion have remained lower than the densely populated S Wales areas.
All things being equal, one would expect New York to have a much higher rate than Alaska or Montana as it does.
Adherence to preventative measures - hand washing, masks, distance - certainly is another big factor and sadly the USA didn't have much leadership on that until recently.
On vaccines, the USA isn't doing that badly although I still contend they could and will do a lot better once more facilities come onstream. Every indicator and proper scientific paper shows that the various vaccines in use are all effective - even at just the prime dose. Probably the US would do well to adopt our 3 month spacing before giving the boost portion strategy to maximise lives saved which the latest studies have born out.
Regardless, the simple hard truth is that if you don't catch it you won't get ill and following the rules is the best way not to, even when you've had the jab.
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I've never understood why anyone - here or anywhere else - couldn't understand the rules of hand washing, distance, masks etc., from the start!
For goodness sake, they were written in stone over a year ago, and it was never rocket science to learn that common sense, cleanliness and separation were the keys to stopping the flow from one person to another!
We have some lovely but 'vulnerable' neighbours and friends, and haven't even seen them for a year, because they were determined to break the connections in places where they could get hurt! (We have chatted on the phone though)!
The stats that we're fed on a daily basis only bolster our determination to beat all this, even though the numbers are probably a bit confused. The story is still the same though!
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Personally I think a big majority of Joe public have been flippant with covid19.. probably to do with not seeing any visible signs of such a dreadful disease, I think if it were a case of people seeing people with side effects like boils, sores, black skin or bleeding from the mouth nose etc, it would have been a completely different story... just my two-penneth worth!
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Hello my neighbour says shes not having the vaccine,she says washing her hands often will be enough,and she has filled her back and front gardens with tubs of Rosemary,Thyme and Lavender and a couple of wind chimes which she reckons will keep the virus away ,I wish some one could get rid of the wind chimes jezza
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Hello my neighbour says shes not having the vaccine,she says washing her hands often will be enough,and she has filled her back and front gardens with tubs of Rosemary,Thyme and Lavender and a couple of wind chimes which she reckons will keep the virus away ,I wish some one could get rid of the wind chimes jezza
Dear me :(
Some people are just ignorant/stupid >:(
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I'm afraid they're not ignorant or stupid - just downright bonkers :)
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Personally I think a big majority of Joe public have been flippant with covid19.. probably to do with not seeing any visible signs of such a dreadful disease, I think if it were a case of people seeing people with side effects like boils, sores, black skin or bleeding from the mouth nose etc, it would have been a completely different story... just my two-penneth worth!
I was just thinking exactly that an hour ago, Andy!
Had it been leprosy, or Aids, the reaction would have been one of instant abhorrence!
Flu is bad enough, and touch wood, we haven't had any for some years, (although we do get the vaccination in October), but if all this means that such a similar programme to combat the covids every year comes into place, then bring it on!
I rather like being this side of the grass!...;0)
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During the Great Plague in 1664 there was a village where the residents decided to self-isolate to prevent any further spread in that area. It's a shame things haven't progressed since then, and as said if these complete numpties had to see how plague visibly affected people they'd be wearing masks 24/7! It's not just the illness during Covid but the long-term after-effects some people experience. All this risks taken just for a jolly with pals somewhere up the M1 or wherever, not to mention the absolute bonkers fruit cake chap who had to be rescued off a mountain in Patterdale and one of the rescuers fell and may never walk again. Words fail me. .
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You make a good point, Goosey!
When the NHS built all the Nightingale Centres, then why didn't the unfortunates with the covids go there, and leave the main hospitals to deal with more serious/nasty cases?
Benenden Hospital was known for years as The Chest Hospital, for TB etc, and I can even remember a sanatorium outside my home village, where anyone with some of the awful conditions back in the 19th century were popped to keep them away from the others!
I've never forgotten the scene in Ben Hur about all this, and I haven't even watched it since it first came out all those years ago...
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When the NHS built all the Nightingale Centres, then why didn't the unfortunates with the covids go there, and leave the main hospitals to deal with more serious/nasty cases?
I think they had their reasons and where the Nightingales were used it was for recovering covids to free up capacity in the main hospital system.
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Certainly right, John, and all I think of is an enormous spreadsheet somewhere in London, making statistics fit a programme which included the costs of furlough, real panic, indecision etc, when absolutely nobody could forecast what would happen just about anywhere! There were some hard decisions to make, and all of them would have been (and were usually), torn apart by the press and most other commentators. Politics went out of the window of course!
I just remember Excel (an enormous place for many previous commercial Growster 'triumphs'), being re-designed as a huge field hospital, and then wondering how it just became a contingency 'in case'.
All I thought was, 'if you're ill, be told to stay away and be treated off-pitch'!
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Still think we could all have done with the open windows/fresh air approach that was used for TB when I was young.
I remember Mum going to see someone (can't remember who now, though) in the local TB hospital, while I waited in the gardens. All the windows were wide open, and some people had been wheeled outside in their beds :ohmy: in the middle of winter! They certainly got a lot of fresh air that way ::)
People don't like cold fresh air so much, nowadays though :nowink:
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Just remembered a line from a book I read as a youngster, where a chap couldn't join the RAF, as he had once caught TB.
He just said '****** that', went to Canada, worked as a logger in the still cold air in the hills for a year, came back and was accepted immediately!
(Sometimes a good read in a good book means so much later on, doesn't it)!
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Still think we could all have done with the open windows/fresh air approach that was used for TB when I was young.
I remember Mum going to see someone (can't remember who now, though) in the local TB hospital, while I waited in the gardens. All the windows were wide open, and some people had been wheeled outside in their beds :ohmy: in the middle of winter! They certainly got a lot of fresh air that way ::)
People don't like cold fresh air so much, nowadays though :nowink:
I read an article yesterday which was referring to the factors which influenced transmission, and steps taken in some countries in the Far East as a result of their previous experience with similar viruses. The essential comment was that the role of ventilation was still being vastly underestimated here in the West - it was even more important than social distancing.
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My friend who works in a school tells me they’re having the windows open all the time & are having to wrap up well