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Growing => General Gardening => Topic started by: jhub on June 30, 2012, 14:09

Title: Shed turned out and...
Post by: jhub on June 30, 2012, 14:09
Found some very old bottles of  Tumblebug - heptenophos  and permethrin
1) are they now illegal ?
2) if yes, how do I safely dispose of them?
Thanks
Title: Re: Shed turned out and...
Post by: arugula on June 30, 2012, 15:05
Found some very old bottles of  Tumblebug banned - heptenophos very unpleasant  and permethrin not sure

Title: Re: Shed turned out and...
Post by: mumofstig on June 30, 2012, 15:30
Very old indeed!
heptenophos was withdrawn in 2001, and permethrin banned in 2003  :lol:

Our Council says to take them to the local waste and recycling centre.
Title: Re: Shed turned out and...
Post by: jhub on June 30, 2012, 17:26
Thanks for advice, will contact council waste centre.
Isn't permethrin still available as ant powder? Is it only banned on crops?

I can't quite believe what's managed to accumulate in at the back of my shed. Garage next. :ohmy:
Title: Re: Shed turned out and...
Post by: mumofstig on June 30, 2012, 19:33
Isn't permethrin still available as ant powder?
yes but I don't eat ants ;)
Title: Re: Shed turned out and...
Post by: jhub on July 01, 2012, 00:57
Good point.
Title: Re: Shed turned out and...
Post by: Paul Plots on July 01, 2012, 12:29
Isn't permethrin still available as ant powder?
yes but I don't eat ants ;)

Chocolate covered - they are a "must experience" (even if only the once!!)  :lol:

(I've yet to have that one experience with them)  ;)  :lol:
Title: Re: Shed turned out and...
Post by: Lawrence on July 01, 2012, 13:28
Personally I don't care very much they are banned or not.
What would concern me is the age of the product, not all chemicals are stable.
If the ingredients degrade, then something harmfull may result and the plants you are trying to protect might even die.
If you want to use them then you might want to do a little research online.
I would probably try them on some weeds first. :)
Title: Re: Shed turned out and...
Post by: Springlands on July 01, 2012, 14:33
These products have all been banned for a reason and Jhub would really be best not to use them.  :)
Title: Re: Shed turned out and...
Post by: Paul Plots on July 01, 2012, 17:28
These products have all been banned for a reason and Jhub would really be best not to use them.  :)

True. If anything should go drastically wrong - illness or harmful results - it would be impossible to point the finger at the manufacturer / supplier.

"Our" knowledge of how chemicals behave and their influence on us grows... although sometimes we might argue that it's overly bureaucratic influences from the EEC I still wouldn't take the chance.
Title: Re: Shed turned out and...
Post by: Lawrence on July 01, 2012, 18:12
I did a search on these.

Tumblebug, active ingredient Dimethoate. Toxic to Bees so Don't use it.
Permethrin, still in use to kill fleas but VERY toxic to cats, if you have pets then it is probably not a good idea.
Heptenophos, is an organophosphate I couldnt find out much but I am sure that they are absorbed through the skin or something and considered bad.

On balance I recommend you dispose of them at your nearest recycling centre (the council tip)
Title: Re: Shed turned out and...
Post by: jhub on July 01, 2012, 18:22
Tumblebug, active ingredient Dimethoate. Toxic to Bees so Don't use it.

Hi Lawrence, my Tumblebug has heptenophos not dimethoate but don't intend to use it in any case.
Thanks for your input.
Title: Re: Shed turned out and...
Post by: Paul Plots on July 02, 2012, 01:30
Tumblebug, active ingredient Dimethoate. Toxic to Bees so Don't use it.

Hi Lawrence, my Tumblebug has heptenophos not dimethoate but don't intend to use it in any case.
Thanks for your input.

Wise person!!  ;)