Allotment Gardening Advice Help Chat
Growing => General Gardening => Topic started by: Hey Jude on June 13, 2010, 22:00
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I know I've read that you shouldn't plant a new rose where an old one's died, but then I saw on Gardeners World (last year I think), a guy who said it's rubbish and the new rose will be fine once the soil's been bolstered up. Does anyone have any experience of actually doing this? Thanks as ever, a temporarily 'rose-less' Jude.
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Plant in a cardboard box.
Dig out hole big enough to hold box, which should be big enough to hold rose roots without touching them. Fill box with Soil based compost and some compost/ well rotted manure and plant rose in it. Back fill around box with existing soil.
By the time the cardboard box starts to rot and the rose roots grow through the rose will be well established and able to cope. :)
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A rose I believed had died, hadn't, and has come up outside the new edging in the crazy paving path!!! Tough blighter!
Wondered when is good to move it as it's going to get mashed there!
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A rose I believed had died, hadn't, and has come up outside the new edging in the crazy paving path!!! Tough blighter!
Wondered when is good to move it as it's going to get mashed there!
Is it the old rose - or its rootstock?
Gillie
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I'm pretty sure it's the original plant by the position. It would be great to save it....I think it's a deep red smelly standard (Celebration?) I don't mind lifting up the path....it's only a few stones.
When should I move it?
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I'm pretty sure it's the original plant by the position.
Yes, but which bit of the original plant? from above or below the graft?
Gillie
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Don't know!!! ::) Have to go out tomorrow and rootle.....
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Had a MAJOR rootle and ended up digging the whole root up!!
There are 2 healthy shoots (about an inch or two long) that are growing from the top of the graft (I assume the big knobbly bit on the surface is the graft?) so hopefully it's the right rose and not the rootstock sprouting!
I managed to get out a good portion of the root gently rootling with my daisy dibber and I've potted it up to give it some tlc and develop the root system. I used potting compost, manure and some fish blood and bone and gave it a soak. It may not be the right time to move it but I'm not one for doing things by the book.
It has been abused for 4 years, getting stood on, roots disturbed, no feeding or water so I'm amazed it survived! It will probably die now from shock!
Time will tell.
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Planting a new rose on an old rose site, is actually fine. Often the soil just needs improving, as the previous rose will have taken out all the nutrients. The best thing to do is what mumofstig suggested, although there's no need to fill a box with the new soil. You could add rootgrow, together with a lot of manure and compost to help the new rose take root.
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Have to say I disagree with Rockchick that in principle planting a brand new rose in the same site as an old rose was, is OK. There is rose replant disease, which causes the new plant to die. Can't remember the exact reason - but it's not a nutritional thing.
See RHS here
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/advicesearch/profile.aspx?pid=191
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According to a recent article, rose re-plant disease doesn't actually exist. Although people often diagnose this as a cause of roses failing, it's really a 'catch-all' term for soil that needs improving. Often previous roses have been in the ground for years, and over this period the rose will exhaust the soil of nutrients. Rather than suffering from a disease, 'newly' planted roses just end up poorly housed and under-nourished. As long as you replace the nutrients, the new rose will do just fine in the place of an old rose.
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Think we'll have to agree to disagree here, RC. I'm with the RHS till they revise their advice :)
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Go on rock chick.Fight back .Dont be intimidated.RHS :tongue2: