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Poultry and Pets => Chicken Chat => Topic started by: juliec on February 08, 2011, 12:45
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has any one heard about this, if its true its awful, I cant believe that any one could treat ducks like this.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20110208/tuk-exclusive-farm-staff-caught-abusing-45dbed5.html
Jools
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Sorry Jools, I daren't even look :( I can't abide any form of animal cruelty and any images (whether visual or mental) will haunt me. But whatever it is, it wouldn't surprise me as the cruelty that 'humans' are capable of seems to know no bounds :(
P.S. Just noticed, you're from Warrington (quite close to me - Wigan) :)
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You don't want to look at this - I have tears in my eyes as I write this.
I just cannot believe how unbelievably cruel some people are but unfortunately it is nothing new - I can remember a case with Bernard Matthews where workers were seen kicking turkeys around.
Thanks for posting this though, people need to know what goes on.
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Nothing surprises me. Years ago I worked on farms (with horses not farm animals) and as a concequence I have been a veggie for 30 years, though to my shame I have never been able to give up milk.
I won't watch it either, it'd give me nightmares too. :(
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Farmers are split into two groups. "Them that 'ave and them that's going to".
How many time has we read in the papers about farmers leaving pigs to turn to cannibalism to survive. Horses and donkeys with hooves so long they cannot walk.
I believe it is going on far more than we know, and we only know when it is (nearly) too late or lots of animals having to be put down after the event. I'm a confirmed carnivore but I believe animal welfare is not taken seriously enough, and farmers are going to have to'open up' about their animal keeping practises and let the officialls in in time to prevent this abuse. Cheers (reluctantly) Tony.
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I actually saw this on the BBC this morning - it was absolutely awful. What is more the meat was being sold as "free range". I will not buy meat from supermarkets - much prefer a local, old fashioned butcher so that you know where your meat and poultry is coming from.
I really hope that these people are prosecuted and that the supermarket involved does not get away with saying - we did not know what was going on.
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I know some of you have said you find it too distressing to watch, but I think it's important that it is watched.
Waitrose has said that they're stopping using that supplier, but then what happens to the ducks that are left?
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I know some of you have said you find it too distressing to watch, but I think it's important that it is watched.
Waitrose has said that they're stopping using that supplier, but then what happens to the ducks that are left?
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Exactly the same thing crossed my mind Andreadon :(
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We saw it on the news this morning too, it was awful! poor little things and they were supposed to be expensive high welfare ducks too! And free range, what in SHEDS?
They need flaying alive those 4 men!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
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It was just terrible when I watched it on the news - the video was shocking.
What really annoyed me was the statement 'the RSPCA are 'considering' prosecution'.
It shouldn't have been about considering.... it should have happened by now. Cruel people indeed.
I am a strong believer in what goes around, comes around.... they will get their just desserts. :mad: :mad: :mad:
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I think by my previous bleat my thoughts on farmers is well understood. Last year I was propping up the bar in my local hostelry, (a country pub infested by the landed gentry) When I heard this pearl of wisdom.
"A farmer is a person who will not lift the cheek of his A*** to pass wind unless he is subsidised, and if he follows through will will bleat untill he gets compensation".
I bought the narator a pint. Cheers, Tony.
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Not very nice at all, how can people be this cruel! Tell you what I wouldn't mind swinging that set of 4 ****** round by their necks! Thing is they wouldn't tackle anyone big enough to fight back! SICK, SICK, SICK! Supermarket should be fined aswell, you should always keep tabs on your supply chain and where you are getting your produce from, if you don't then you deserve to get done for it!
Makes me really want to raise my own birds for meat at home, only thing is I know I will get too attached!
Get em fined, get em sacked and throw them in a very large pen of angry ducks!
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We saw it on the news this morning too, it was awful! poor little things and they were supposed to be expensive high welfare ducks too! And free range, what in SHEDS?
They need flaying alive those 4 men!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
whole heartedly agree, those men should be prosecuted at least!
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it's absolutely rite what's been said by all of you.and yes the people that produce and look after animals for food production have a duty of care towards the welfare of there animals they look after and for these employed by there company who let them treat defenceless ducks like this they are equally scum as the perpetrators of such an act of cruelty >:(
as for the RSPA to say there considering prosecution is a fast they shouldn't be considering they should be taking both the company and its employees to court if only to remind other producers of there obligations to maintain a standard of animal welfare and the consequences should they not uphold this as suppliers to the public food chain and the courts should dish out heavy fines and imprisonment to those not in compliance the RSPCA seem to have forgotten what they stand for i always like to give a few bob when i see them collecting for the work they do have they forgot who the pays the piper :(
where i applaud the decision made by Waitrose to stop using this supplier its never the less a fact that Waitrose have one presumes regular inspection of their suppliers premises why was this not brought to light by there inspectors was it not for a caring person who truly believes in the care of all animals this carrying person exposing such things we would have still been buying these ducks from household name Waitrose not knowing the cruel way these Ducks where treated
brings to mind closing the door after the horse has bolted :blush:
i don't buy Bernard Mathews turkey's i haven't done for some time now ever heard of Defra being mentioned in all this DEFRA who's Defra :mad:
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Those involved need to grow a heart. Very sad viewing indeed.
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It was just terrible when I watched it on the news - the video was shocking.
What really annoyed me was the statement 'the RSPCA are 'considering' prosecution'.
It shouldn't have been about considering.... it should have happened by now. Cruel people indeed.
I am a strong believer in what goes around, comes around.... they will get their just desserts. :mad: :mad: :mad:
I put off watching this for as long as I could after being told of it as I knew how awful it would be. It is not the actual active cruelty that really upsets me in some ways but the animals left to die slowly and in great distress through inactivity and complacency that truely horrifys me.
Sadly I have little expectations of justice in this world for those involved and think that the RSPCA will do much more in this case as those involved hadn't paid for a Freedom Foods endorsement than they have done in the past against farms they had recieved money from with similar exposed atrocities.
I have had to go out with a special extra treat of mealworms for my girls and Patrick with a huge lump in my throat and apologies for their limited space while the grass grows back, wanting to cry that I can't have them all here.
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It was just terrible when I watched it on the news - the video was shocking.
What really annoyed me was the statement 'the RSPCA are 'considering' prosecution'.
It shouldn't have been about considering.... it should have happened by now. Cruel people indeed.
I am a strong believer in what goes around, comes around.... they will get their just desserts. :mad: :mad: :mad:
I put off watching this for as long as I could after being told of it as I knew how awful it would be. It is not the actual active cruelty that really upsets me in some ways but the animals left to die slowly and in great distress through inactivity and complacency that truely horrifys me.
Sadly I have little expectations of justice in this world for those involved and think that the RSPCA will do much more in this case as those involved hadn't paid for a Freedom Foods endorsement than they have done in the past against farms they had recieved money from with similar exposed atrocities.
I have had to go out with a special extra treat of mealworms for my girls and Patrick with a huge lump in my throat and apologies for their limited space while the grass grows back, wanting to cry that I can't have them all here.
Kate please can you expalin about the Freedom Food endorsement, Ive never heard of it and dont understand what this means.
Thanks
Jools
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The 5 freedoms that the RSPCA keep on about, but which are not always practised by people are:
1. Freedom from hunger and thirst
2. Freedom from discomfort
3. Freedom from pain, injury and disease
4. Freedom to behave normally
5. Freedom from fear and distress.
http://www.rspca.org.uk/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=urlblob&blobheader=application%2Fpdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=RSPCABlob&blobwhere=1210683196122&ssbinary=true
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I agree wholeheartedly with everything said. This type of animal production is abhorrent and disgusting!
However, please don't lump all farmers together in this. I live in the middle of a farming community and am constantly surprised at the level of care and commitment to their stock. Also, there is a great community spirit where they help each other.
There was one occasion when I spotted a cow in difficulty when calving and as the owner couldn't be contacted the neighbours simply took over and saved the calf.
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The 5 freedoms that the RSPCA keep on about, but which are not always practised by people are:
1. Freedom from hunger and thirst
2. Freedom from discomfort
3. Freedom from pain, injury and disease
4. Freedom to behave normally
5. Freedom from fear and distress.
http://www.rspca.org.uk/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=urlblob&blobheader=application%2Fpdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=RSPCABlob&blobwhere=1210683196122&ssbinary=true
WOW how few of our food manufacturers can honestly say that they abide by all of these rules, especially if you think about battery chickens.
Jools is having her eyes opened!
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Your eyes will be like saucers by the time we've finished with you!! :lol: :ohmy:
You wouldn't beieve some of the things we've seen people do, but I agree with Thrift, don't lump all farmers together. Most of the big farmers don't see everything that goes on everyday, too many things on their minds like all that paperwork they have to do.
There are a lot of really caring farmers, like Paul Kelly of Kelly's turkeys where we get our day olds from. He's on with Jimmy Doherty in a Farmers life (or whatever its called) at the moment. Now he could just sit back and let them get on with it if he wanted, but he is still very much hands on at the farm, just like his Dad. There isn't much he doesn't know about raising turkeys!
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i agree with both Thrift and Grannie Annie we shouldn't tar all farmers with the same brush i to have farmer friends who take pride in looking after there animals the same goes for those who keep chickens :)
i know the supermarkets they supply do send there representatives to visit the farm and have had no problems with the way the chickens are kept free range of cause the trouble is it only takes one to discredit all this topic has made good reading by all who have answered :D
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I grew up spending a lot of time with my grandparents in a farming community and was always really drawn to it because of the care and compassion shown by the farmers there to the stock.
Sadly there are always going to be segments of what is becoming and industry that have more interest in the bottom line than animal welfare and it is a multifactorial problem that is likely to be much debated in a world where we are talking about impending world poverty and the end of cheap food. There will always be those wonderful people who show great care and respect for their animals regardless of the end destination and those who will never see them as anything more than a commodity.
The RSPCA has a Freedom Foods endorsement that producers can apply to use (at a price) to denote that their animals are kept in humane conditions and this needless to say adds a premium to the price for them. There was similarly distressing footage from a poultry farm a year or so ago that was endorsed by the RSPCA which raised a great number of questions about the value of this.
This farm was Freedom Foods endorsed until April 2010.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/Articles/2011/02/08/125415/Producer-accused-of-cruelty.htm
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It is not unnown for some of this activists to film their own friends whatever they are carrying out this cruelty.Some years ago was present on a chicken rearing farm when the alarn went off on investigation my friend found 6 people in her chicken house one filming and the others messing about with the chickens
Pipfit
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It is not unnown for some of this activists to film their own friends whatever they are carrying out this cruelty.Some years ago was present on a chicken rearing farm when the alarn went off on investigation my friend found 6 people in her chicken house one filming and the others messing about with the chickens
Pipfit
Im not desputing this happened but because I am so new to understanding this I cannot understand why people would do this.
Please expalin to me a little deaper as to why people would stage this or is my understanding of your comment incorrect.
many thanks
jools
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i think pipfit your comments are answered by the amount of people that prosecuted each year for animal cruelty sadly not enough are brought to justice the courts do not dish out the punishment to fit the crime so much for our judicial system it is a fact that supermarket chains have ended there contracts with there suppliers if certain standards are not upheld which i totally endorse >:(
as for your remarks regarding the activists i think the argument for animal welfare comes into play especially in the food chain of the commercial sector and far out ways what your saying :mad:
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I don't think that activists should be allowed to film cruelty staged by themselves where there is none, just so they can get a point across, which is what I think pipfit meant :unsure:
It's a different matter altogether if they are filming real cruelty at a chicken farm, which needs to be exposed.
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it's obvious that self staged acts of this kind are not acceptable but the argument for animal welfare far out ways the staging of such acts don't let us stray away from the original topic its disgraceful to treat animals this way especially with only a short life before there on the kitchen table
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Given the amount of softies on here that spoil their birds rotten, your sentiments will ring home with most Rowlandswells.
I don't have an issue with raising animals for meat if it's done in a humane manner BUT I have a massive issue with anyone treating any living creature - pet, livestock or wild - like that. Took me a while to build up the nerve to watch the clip, but glad I did. I'm sure most farmers would never dream of treating livestock that way and we should all do as much as we can to support them when we shop, but those that do mistreat animals should be exposed and punished.
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I'm absolutely appalled by the behaviour of the duck 'handlers', however often people employed on large scale food production are supplied by gang masters who source their workers from other countries. Some countries do not have the same attitude to animals as us. I'm truly not a xenophobe but it is just the way it is. Different attitudes and different standards. Educating your work force and good basic training on handling the livestock was clearly not happening in this case.
What is so amazing is that ducks are just about the easiest animal to herd. They flow like water. The birds in the clip were clearly hugely stressed by the whole procedure. I find I just have to lift my hand up gently and my ducks move away in the direction I want them to go. It was all too much noise and hurry for the poor birds. As for the neck swinging...I'm speechless.
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