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Peat ban
« on: December 24, 2023, 19:02 »
Ivr just read an article in what wad the sun newspapers gardening column that the government hadnt implemented an out right ban on peat based products,hurrah the idiotsi in government trying to ban it want burying in it,,, then second thoughts the beggars would be preserved for hundreds of years and would still cause problems by not decomposing properly    jezza

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« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2023, 12:19 »
I hope you and the Sun are right Jezza there's an article in the RHS garden  mag Jan issue by some girl from the RHS calling herself the RHS peat free transition technician telling us you have to treat peat-free different from peat based and you have to change how you grow? I have to say I don't rate these comments  or the  mag much but its ok to light our fire with

all I want from any compost be it peat based or peat free is to use a M/P compost I can use straight from the bag for both seed and potting on what I'm not going to do is buy a compost I have to add other things to it to make things grow and I don't want to get involved in the politics of compost's

sow come 2024 lets  see what happens all the best Jezz

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« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2023, 09:23 »
It's going to take quite a while before all the peat-based compost has been sold so maybe go for it and get some in stock? I just don't know what I'm going to get next year but I don't think I'll get Sylvagrow as I had loads of spindly mushrooms growing in my potted-up plug plants and it took them ages to get going. At the moment, I'll get some Jack's Magic from a garden centre nearby as maybe the on-line stuff is old stock. 
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« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2023, 14:58 »
Careful GG, when I was looking for Jack's all the new stock I could find was peat-free.
So I bought 5 bags of the old JM (ie the one with peat) on Amazonia, just before Christmas.

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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2023, 07:05 »
Mum, our local GC has loads of JM, and they're not that far from you!

PM me if you want the names of our chums there, and they'll keep some for you!

I'm going to stock up soon anyway - maybe get ten or fifteen bags in just in case! I've earmarked a storage area in the garden to keep them safe!

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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2023, 17:44 »
Here’s a copy of an email I’ve received from Growell copied & shared with permission


PEAT BAN UPDATE DECEMBER 2023
The uncertainty around the Government’s proposed ban on peat-based composts is not
getting any clearer. In public, the Government are still stating that they are committed, in
principle, to the banning of Retail peat-based composts at the end of 2024 and professional
use by the end of 2026 (with some exemptions). Does this sound familiar?!
Though, the industry needs to be aware that peat-based compost, for non -professional use,
is very likely going to be eventually outlawed & banned. The only areas that are up for
debate is when it is likely to happen and if there will be any long term exemptions for
Ericaceous (lime-hating) grown plants.
With all the current confusion and mis-information circulating, we have decided to get our
crystal ball out and provide you with an update based on the current evidence and the
probability of WHICH YEAR the ban might actually happen.
So here goes…..
80% Chance Of The Ban on RETAIL Being 2027 & PROFESSIONAL 2030 (with
likely exemptions).
Based on the fact that the Government did not include the ban in the King’s Speech, the
proposed legislation still being in draft form, there not being any formal Government time
allocation to any bill, House of Lords Report being very critical of Government’s aim to rush a
bill through without weighing up the economic consequences, the Scottish Devolved
Administration now wanting a united policy and ban to cover all four Nations simultaneously
and George Eustice MP, former head of DEFRA, stating that in his opinion, 2027 is the
earliest date that legislation can occur. This provides a large body of evidence to support the
2027 theory.
15% Chance Of The Ban on RETAIL Being 2025 & PROFESSIONAL 2027 (with
likely exemptions).
There is a probability that one of the 20 MP’s that have been selected to have the
opportunity to present a Private Members Bill, may decide to present a Bill banning the sale
of peat-based composts before Parliament. There is already a draft proposal in place, drawn
up by a grouping of environmental organisations, like the RSPB, Greenpeace etc . If they can
find a sponsoring MP from amongst the 20 selected, Government giving their backing for the
Bill to be debated and a General Election not happening until November 2024 then there is
a possibility that a Bill could become law before the end of the current Parliamentary term.
There are a lot of variables here that have to happen and it would need a fair amount of luck
for it to happen but people do win the Lottery!!
2.5% Chance Of The Ban on RETAIL Being 31st December 2024 &
PROFESSIONAL 2026 (with likely exemptions).
There is always the possibility, however unlikely, that the Government decides to rapidly
produce a bill and allocates sufficient time under an Emergency Legislation timeframe. The
probability of this happening, unless there is suddenly a vast amount of external vote wining
pressure or internal protect Parliamentary Seat pressure from Conservative MP’s is unlikely.
This is because the normal legal protocol for banning a product is to give Retailers a 6 month
product sell through and users an additional 6 months to use the product.
2.5% Chance Of The Ban on RETAIL Happening By Stealth by 31st December
2024
With approximately 80% of allotments ultimately owned by some form of Local
Government, (Parish, District, Borough, Town, City, County or Metropolitan Councils), we
could see an implementation of the retail peat ban at a local level by the passing of bye laws.
This is already happening in some parts of the Country, where local counsellors have passed
local laws banning both allotment trading huts from selling peat-based composts and
allotment holders taking and using peat-based composts on their plots.
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Re: Peat ban
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2023, 17:46 »
Also from Growell & shared with permission


10 FACTS ABOUT GROWING IN PEAT FREE
As we move slowly towards a Peat Free future, we are repeatedly asked a number of questions. Within this document, we aim to try and answer some of the more common ones.
1​WHY IS PEAT FREE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN PEAT?
With Peat Free compost, you do get what you pay for. Unfortunately, compared to peat, quality raw peat free materials are more expensive. This is down to coir needing to be transported half way around the World from Asia and then requiring additional processing, through to the likes of bark and wood fibre having commercial competition from the Power Generators, who burn It as bio-mass in power stations.
2​SIEVE COMPOST BEFORE SOWING OR BUY A SPECIFIC PEAT FREE SEED COMPOST?
Seeds require a fine compost to set root in. Some peat frees will have larger particles of bark and woodfibre in them and so it is advisable to sieve them before planting seeds. Clover Peat Free, Eco Gro & Sylva Gro Multi Purpose all fall into this category.
Alternatively, use a specialist seed compost like the Humax Seed & Cutting.
Once the first leaves appear, commence feeding with a liquid seaweed feed. Advisable to start with a low dilution. Water using a spray gun rather than a watering can.
3​DO THE ADDED INGREDIENTS MATTER?
The quality peat free composts will also contain a  number of critically important ingredients. These include a base fertiliser, a Continuous Release Fertiliser (CRF) from a reputable brand like Multi-Cote, Osmocote, Vitax or Yara and various limes to get the PH within the correct range and a reputable Wetting Agent.
They may also contain additional ingredients like perlite and seaweed.
4 ​PEAT FREE COMPOST HAVE A SHORTER SHELF LIFE
It is true, due to the nature of Coir, Bark & Woodfibre that unlike peat you cannot store it for long periods of time. Due to ingredients being biologically active it is advisable to use a peat free compost within 6 months of purchasing it. The secret to getting the best from peat free compost is to buy little and often!.
5​FUNGI LOVE PEAT FREE
It is true that peat free composts, with a high bark and wood fibre content are more susceptible to fungi growth than peat based composts. The fungi infestation may look alarming but are nothing to worry too much about. Just pick them off and put them in a compost heap to naturally rot down.
6.​FEED YOUR PLANTS REGULARLY
Peat free composts tend to be more free draining than their Peat counter parts. Nutrients will get washed out via the leeching process more readily with peat free composts. The experts recommend creating a regular weekly feeding routine between March-October. Plants require multi vitamins, so using seaweed based feeds is a recommended option.
 
7.​KNOW YOUR PEAT FREE COMPOST
Peat free composts are made up of a blend of ingredients that all have different properties. You need to understand what is in the product that you have purchased. Most peat free’s will contain a blend from the following ingredients. The more expensive ones will have very little or no green waste in them:-
COMPOSTED BARK
Dark, crumbly, holds moisture and nutrients well, and aerates compost. Look at the range size of particles within the mix. Products with larger particles will be okay for potting on but not for seed sowing.
COIR
A waste product from the husks of coconuts. It is stable, lightweight and holds water extremely well. Be careful of purchasing any cheap coir composts because of where the coir is sourced from, if not properly washed, ideally at source, or during the re-wetting process, can still retain a large sodium level. All gardeners know that high levels of sodium will kill plants.
WOOD FIBRE
Again varies in texture and particle size from a fine composted lightweight texture to one that has been through an extruded process. Depending on the extruder, this may contain larger fibre chunks. Wood fibre will normally appear very light coloured within the compost mix. It tends to be more free draining than other ingredients. The more expensive peat free mixes will contain wood fibre made from virgin material. The cheaper mixes may contain wood fibre derived from recycled material and may appear darker.
ORGANIC MATTER
These tend to be natural by-products of the processing of farm crops in a anaerobic digester or raw material derived from a natural composting process over time . Again particle size can vary depending on how much grading takes place in the manufacturing process. Like peat, well graded, (smaller particles), will appear in the more expensive products because of the additional manufacturing processing costs. These types of raw materials will hold water.
GREEN WASTE
The most contentious of peat free ingredients and the one most often found in the cheaper peat free products. The quality of green waste ingredients depends on the range and amount of contaminates that may have entered the green waste to compost cycle. If a product is cheap it is because it contains a large amount of green waste. To guarantee good crops it is probably best avoided.
LOAM/ JOHN INNES MIX
These will be a mix of loam, coir, sand and bark. Bag sizes tend to be limited to 25ltr and below because of the weight of the loam. The exact mixes will depend on whether it is a fine mix for seeds (JI Seed & Ji No1) or a more open structure for potting on, (JI No2 & JI No3).
 
 
8.​DEVELOP A WATERING REGIME
One of the main criticisms of peat free composts is that they do not retain moisture like a peat compost. This is true to a point but appearances can be deceptive. One issue is that peat free compost appears dry on the surface, when actually below the surface it is still damp. A good tip is to do the finger test by inserting a finger beneath the surface of the compost. If it is still universally damp, you do not need to water. If it is not consistently damp or is dry, then water. It is very easy to over water peat free composts and increase the leeching of nutrients. Though, some research evidence does point to peat free composts requiring an extra 18% more water than peat based ones. This proves that keeping a watchful eye on plants watering needs is critical to success.
9.​PEAT FREE COMPOSTS ATTRACT SCIARID FLIES
There are reports that the little black Sciarid Fly is a bigger problem in peat free compost compared to peat based ones. This is true to a point, especially in house plants. Sciarid flies thrive off decaying matter. The higher the volume of recycled waste in the compost the more likely to have this problem. Solutions range from top dressing with potting grit, treating with an insecticide or with Nematodes.
10​GET TO KNOW YOUR PEAT FREE COMPOSTS.
Like with peat based composts certain manufacturers and brands will be different. They may all use the same base materials like Coir, Wood Fribre, Bark or Green waste but in different ratios. They will all use slightly different Continuous Release Feed (CRF’s), Wetting Agents and added additional ingredients like perlite or seaweed.
The secret is to choose a  quality Peat Free and really get to understand the characteristics of the product. Unfortunately, this will take time and a certain amount of trial and error. The good news is that we have a great range to choose from:-
Current Range Of Peat Free Composts
Clover Gro-Green Peat Free Multi-Purpose 40ltr
A peat free multi-purpose blend containing a blend of finely milled wood fibre and coir.
The product includes perlite, an advanced wetting agent and water retaining polymer for improved water management.
It also contains RHP approved specialist PG base and Multi-Cote Continuous Release Fertilisers to improve feed longevity.
Flower Gro Eco- Gro Peat Free Multi-Purpose 50ltr
A peat free multi-purpose compost is made from natural organic materials, sourced from the UK & Ireland. This product contains a blend of dark organic matter, wood fibre (Fibagro Advance), Wetting Agent H2 Gro, Perlite and Calcified Seaweed.
It also contains RHP approved specialist PG base and Multi-Cote Continuous Release Fertilisers  to improve feed longevity.
 
Bloom & Gro Organic Peat Free Compost 40ltr
A peat free compost manufactured from heat treated recycled organic ingredients.
 
 
Humax Peat Free Original Multi Purpose 50Ltr
A premier peat free multi purpose blend containing 20% wood fibre (Fibagro Advance), 30% 0-8mm Bark and 40% Coir. It also contains 5% John Innes Loam and 5% Silver Sand .
In addition H2 Gro Wetting Agent, lime, base fertilisers and extra Osmoform High N 8-10 week feed.
 
Humax Professional Peat Free Multi Purpose 50ltr
A professional peat free mix containing a blend of three quality ingredients. It comprises of 30% wood fibre (Fibagro Advance), 40% 0-8mm bark and 30% Coir.
It also contains H2 Gro Wetting Agent, lime, base fertilisers and extra Osmoform High N 8-10 week feed.
 
Humax Free Seed & Cutting Compost 25ltr
A specially designed seed sowing peat free mix. This fine blend contains 45% 0-8mm bark, 45% coir, 5% Silver Sand and 5% John Innes Loam.
It also contains H2 Gro Wetting Agent, lime, base fertilisers and extra Osmoform High N 8-10 week feed.
 
Humax Peat Free Ericaceous 50ltr
A specifically formulated peat free ericaceous mix designed for lime hating plants. The formulation contains 30% Wood Fibre (Fibagro Advance), 30% 0-8mm bark and 40% Coir.
It also contains H2 Gro Wetting Agent, base fertilisers and extra Osmoform High N 8-10 week feed.
 
Humax Peat Free Multi Planter 40ltr
A high quality peat free Planter mix containing a blend of three quality ingredients. It comprises of 30% wood fibre (Fibagro Advance), 40% 0-8mm bark and 30% Coir.
It also contains H2 Gro Wetting Agent, lime, base fertilisers and extra Osmoform High N 8-10 week feed.
 
 
Melcourt All Purpose Peat Free Compost 40ltr
Manufactured from a blend of top quality conifer bark 0-8mm (40%), wood fibre (30%), coir (20%) and green compost (10%).
Contains a balanced slows release fertiliser.
 
SylvaGrow Multi-Purpose Peat Free 40ltr
Manufactured from an unique blend of fine bark 0-8mm (40%), wood fibre (30%) and Coir (30%)
Contains a balanced slow release fertiliser.
 
SylvaGrow Compost With Added John Innes 40ltr
Manufactured from an unique blend of fine bark 0-8mm, (40%) woodfibre (30%), coir (20%) plus sterilised loam (5%) and Silver Sand (5%).
Contains a balanced slow release fertiliser.

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Re: Peat ban
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2023, 18:34 »
Mum, make that twenty bags of JM...

I'm going up there tomorrow and will probably buy the whole damn lot - which I'll share with you of course!

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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2023, 21:05 »
Growster, I've already ordered 10 x 50L bags from Amazonia (using some Christmas present £s)  which means I'll have 15 bags, in total, to play with  :D

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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2023, 17:05 »
well that's what I call a real comprehensive report detailing the rights and wrongs of buying peat free compost's Snowdrops  I found it very interesting reading and it must have taken you sometime for you to collate all this info what I was interested to read your mention of that Black Sciarid fly that I have found in some of the compost we used especially some of the peat free dodo but didn't know what it was or how it got there now I know  :dry:

I think I'm going to have read this over again to get my head round this I just hope we can get a decent peat free compost suitable for our growing needs at a reasonable price and if there's going to be a peat ban it should be for all and not single out the home gardeners who always seem to loose out one way or another anyway well done Snowdrops and a happy new year to you and all RW

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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2023, 19:07 »
well that's what I call a real comprehensive report detailing the rights and wrongs of buying peat free compost's Snowdrops  I found it very interesting reading and it must have taken you sometime for you to collate all this info what I was interested to read your mention of that Black Sciarid fly that I have found in some of the compost we used especially some of the peat free dodo but didn't know what it was or how it got there now I know  :dry:

I think I'm going to have read this over again to get my head round this I just hope we can get a decent peat free compost suitable for our growing needs at a reasonable price and if there's going to be a peat ban it should be for all and not single out the home gardeners who always seem to loose out one way or another anyway well done Snowdrops and a happy new year to you and all RW

Hi RW, I didn’t compile the information on either of the posts it came from & via Growell a supplier I’m in touch with as store manager of our local garden club. It was shared with permission.

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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2023, 09:31 »
well whatever or wherever it came from is to me immaterial it just was very informative given the present situation with peat V peat free composts

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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2023, 17:31 »
We used to have a delivery of 1,000 bags of Arthur Bowers MPC in the spring plus all the various   potting compost  formulas.  Now we're down to one pallet of 50, but they all go.   We have not been notified of any changes that are coming.  Could they also please let us retailers know what's going on so that we can advise customers. 

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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2023, 19:29 »
well whatever or wherever it came from is to me immaterial it just was very informative given the present situation with peat V peat free composts

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