Allotment Gardening Advice Help Chat
Poultry and Pets => The Hen House => Topic started by: Vember on December 11, 2008, 18:16
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Hi All
Jack has had a limp on & off for a while - all examinations failed to spot anything amiss :oops: :(
Mornings he's fine but some days as the day goes on it gets worst.
Tonight he was sitting down alot, so in he came and after a complete scrub up of said foot I have found what a think is a deep splinter :(
Removed it as best I could whilst he pooped on me & wriggled :roll:
Here is my quandary : Do I keep him in for a few days & hope the rest helps? I don't like separating??
Or do I restrict all of them for a day or two & see how he goes??
Here's a quick video taken tonight - what strikes me is he's not putting his heal down yet the splinter was more towards his middle toe :?
(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii117/TotallyBonkers68/Videos/th_7f409b30.jpg) (http://s262.photobucket.com/albums/ii117/TotallyBonkers68/Videos/?action=view¤t=7f409b30.flv)
Any thoughts, muchly appreciated :D
Sarah :)
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Looks very painful by the way he's limping Sarah :(
Any broken bones ?
Any sign of bumblefoot ?
Any swelling ?
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germolene !! :)
Is there an open wound or was it a clean pull out of the foot ?
Could it have nicked a tendon ?
They are pretty hardy things I think. That's what everyone used to tell me anyway :roll: :)
Could you upend him and get a photo ? (in the morning).
Rob 8)
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He certainly looks sore. I don't know anything about ducks but just wonder if it may have become infected, salt water is always good, vets always seem to recommend it (not too strong though). Maybe the wound justs needs more time to feel as though the splinter has gone. :cry:
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And of course, being a boy, he's a lot more mardy than the others. Do you think he's after a soft bed for the night ? :roll:
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There's no swelling at all, no broken bones apart from the dark line of the splinter there's nothing obvious :(
I have put my hand against the flat of his foot and he has with both feet curled his toes around my fingers and pushed into me, though not as powerfully with the bad one.
I have put germolene on Rob as I had to open the skin up to remove the splinter - it had obviously been there a bit :oops:
What really puzzles me is some days no sign of the limp then other days he's fine in the morning and gradually over the day it becomes noticeable :?
Do you think he could have twisted it at some stage then every so often just aggravates it?
They do have a habit of going up the rocks :roll:
Sarah :)
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They're daft enough.
It'll be the sound of the Atlantic breakers tempting them. Spot of surfing. :)
Could be what Aunt Sally suggested, bumblefoot or the ducky equivalent. No idea what you can do other than restrict playtime.
Rob
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Ow.
He looks really sore! Can you limit him with Jill and Titch ti a smaller area so he can get a bit of rest? Just know how much Patrick hated being separated from the others and he might be a bit calmer with the others.
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Could be an little infection that has been introduced through the splinter, that would explain why it gets sore later on when he has been walking on it. I wonder if a course of antibiotics and an inflammatory injection would make him feel more comfortable? particulary if the splinter went in quite deep.? :D
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Piccie of foot, area where I got the splinter out from is circled.
(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii117/TotallyBonkers68/65d3949e.jpg)
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(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii117/TotallyBonkers68/f3bf1c96.jpg)
I'll see how he is the morning with a limited area, then maybe a trip to a vet see if I can get any antib's & injection.
I would have thought with an infection it would feel warm though???
Ducks hey who'd have 'em :lol:
Thanks everyone :D
Sarah :)
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So sorry to hear about poor little Jack's foot, Sarah. Hope it gets better soon and that he's just being a typical man playing on it. x
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hmmm thats quite a small wound! I think HappyChick may have a point! :D
I am guessing that ducks dont have a great blood supply so maybe wouldnt feel warm with an infection? Just a thought though.
Gorgeous duck!
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I'm always surprised how warm my ducks feet are! That being said really didn't bleed very much when the fox punctured Patrick's webbing.
Surprising how much he is limping given the tiny wound and the fact it all looks otherwise healthy.
MEN!!!
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oh poor jack love him. just want to give him loads of cuddles and kisses.
Looks sore. I havent got a clue, I normally come to you for help but it could just be really sore and he is being a typical man.
Hope so. Let us know how he gets on.
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I read somewhere that they have a special warming circuit for their feet.
I'll try and find a link.
Rob 8)
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http://en.allexperts.com/q/Wild-Animals-705/2008/7/Duck-feet.htm
Knew I'd read it somewhere. Clever. Counter-current heat exchange.
Rob 8)
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What do you guys think....
WORMS :? :oops:
I never got round to doing them :oops: :oops: :oops:
In one of my books it says limping is one of the first signs of worms
And one of the poops that he did on me was very watery ???
Thoughts please ??
Sarah :)
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Coincidence about the splinter though ?
Watery poo because he was stressed at being picked up ?
Or slight infection ?
Just being annoying !! :D
Rob 8)
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:D Rob
It was funny I was in the bath & I suddenly shouted worms, hubby wondered what I was on about :lol:
But I thought I remembered reading it somewhere in a duck book!!
I'll worm them any way - did all the hens way back :oops:
I have been out to see him & he's quiet happy in his hutch :D
Sarah :)
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Let's hope it's something that simple. I wouldn't have had a clue.
Rob 8)
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Morning update :
Let Jack out after I'd wormed him :) Walking normally but within a few mins he was hobbling again :(
No where near as bad as yesterday - had his foot flat when standing and more flat when walking.
I have put him back in his hutch where he has had food & water over night, the worry now is the food hasn't been touched :(
I'm going to fetch him in for a bath later - he's quite chirpy in himself - don't really want to do the vet bit yet, like to try all avenues first :)
I'll keep you posted :D
Sarah :)
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Sarah that wound is pathetic, either he has injured himself further up his leg or he's a wuss............
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:lol: TMG's
I'm hoping it's the latter :D
I am in the process of uploading today's video, I think there's some improvement but will let you guys judge.
He hasn't had his bath yet - I've gotta nip to the shop and didn't want to go looking like a wet rag :roll: :lol:
Sarah :)
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(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii117/TotallyBonkers68/Videos/th_e2e8224a.jpg) (http://s262.photobucket.com/albums/ii117/TotallyBonkers68/Videos/?action=view¤t=e2e8224a.flv)
Sarah :)
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Definitely looks like the heel that's bothering him. Wonder if the splinter made him land awkwardly at some point and he's bruised it.
Have you manipulated it to see if there's any pressure points ?
Rob 8)
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He seems a little better than yesterday (although my work computer won't let me watch all of the video for some reason) but is still not putting his heel down, is he? Seems odd as that is not where the injury was. Maybe he just can't heel-walk and this is the only way to reduce weight bearing for ducks :roll: Do wonder if there is a problem further up though but all look clear on the pics.
Sorry, not being very helpful, just thinking outloud.
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I would have thought he'd lift his foot when he stands if it was his leg. Unless it's a tendon that is relaxed until he moves ?
Over to you miss anatomy. :wink:
Rob 8)
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I dunno :roll:
Said I wasn't being very helpful today. :oops:
Do keep meaning to go and find a good poultry book with anatomy and physiology etc in it. Might have to pop to the University bookshop some time on a day off.
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That must be a real bind. Don't think I'd come out again for 3 days :D
I'm just trying to anthropomorphise slightly by imaganing myself walking like that and wondering where it might hurt.
Can only think of heel and achilles tendon.
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Hi
We keep Call ducks and for one reason or another are always hurting themselves and getting limps. What we usually do is bring them in and give them a warm bath then rub a small amount of Ibroprofen gel into the leg or foot. After a couple of days they are fine. I think a lot of the damage is done by them rushing to get into the pond when they are let out in the mornings.
For any wounds I spray with Genetian violet it seems to stay put longer.
Hope this helps.
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Oooo. Flocko. have we seen photos of your ducks ?? :wink: :D
Rob 8)
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Right he's had a bath :) Had a good preen afterwards even used foot to scratch his head :D
In the bath he had some bread, a few mealworms and a bit of corn but still not a huge amount.
I decided to fetch Titch in to see if that would encourage him a bit more to eat - NO she just thought it would be good to look around a chat to him :roll:
Titch is now back outside :lol:
I will get some Ibuprofen gel Flocko handy to know I can use it thanks :)
I have had a good feel at both legs moved them around etc... and can not see /feel any difference in either :? He didn't flinch or quack at anything I did :? Even had a look at Titch's to see if anything was different but nope all normal :?
Sarah :)
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No you haven't.
I'm a total thickee :oops: when it come to posting pictures I'm afraid, but we have 37 Calls and a pair of Mini Appleyards all currently running around in our once nice lawn turned paddy field. Oh I cant wait for summer to return :wink:
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No you haven't.
I'm a total thickee :oops: when it come to posting pictures I'm afraid, but we have 37 Calls and a pair of Mini Appleyards all currently running around in our once nice lawn turned paddy field. Oh I cant wait for summer to return :wink:
You need to find somewhere with loads of land so you can have a managery like vember's without so much mess. :D
Here's the instructions for posting photos. Ask questions if they're not quite clear enough.
http://www.chat.allotment-garden.org/viewtopic.php?t=19476
Rob 8)
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Hi Vember
I'm sure it's just a sprain, if it was anything to do with the splinter he wouldn't put his foot down. Some of ours cope better than others when they have a sprain just like humans some can put it on a bit (especially the male species :wink: )
As for the Ibroprofen gel it works for me and has done the ducks no harm although I suppose there would be some who dont recommend it.
I'm sure Jack will be fine in a day or two.
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Hi Rob
We have 7.5 acres most of it woods though. We also keep 14 chickens and 1 pair of Indian Blue peacocks and 1 pair of White peacocks so we have enough to keep us going.
Thanks for the tips on posting pictures I will give it a try when I have a moment.
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Sounds idyllic (but hard work I'm sure) :D
We briefly (1 day) had a white peahen earlier in the year but managed to find a local enthusiast who took her. She just turned up and didn't want to leave. :)
Rob 8)
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Sad to say we did have a pair of white peacocks but a b!!!!!d fox killed the cock bird this morning. :x
Lost a white sussex to it last week, poor birds are all locked away for there own safety, none are happy including us. Anyone with a gun near Dover?.
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Flocko So sorry to hear your news :cry:
Sarah x
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Hi Vember
Fox paid us a visit yesterday afternoon came right up to the conservatory bold as brass. Spooked all the birds and the peacocks flew off managed to get three back in their house but the silly s!d that the fox got wouldn't come back.
The fox must have got him this morning on his way back home feathers all over the field where he tried to get away. Heartbreaking to see his beautiful feathers every where. Just seen the fox again at the edge of the field, all we have is an air rifle and by the time you faff about loading it up it runs away. Its a killer now so we must be on our guard otherwise we will loose the lot :cry:
Hows Jacks leg now?
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That's just awful :(
Jacks leg is better in confinement but... I let him out with the others for ten min's yesterday after all the excitement of saying hello to everyone he started limping again :( So I fetched him back in. Its no where near as it was in the first video but still not right :(
Think I'll leave him in for a couple more days then re assess the situation, if he were looking down in the dumps etc my approach would be different but he's very happy in himself :?
Sarah :)
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Glad he is at least looking happy in himself. Ducks are just not meant to be sad creatures, very worrying when then are!
At least he is in the best hands so sure he will continue to improve.
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I'm sure as long as you keep feeding and fussing him, he'll be happy. :)
Rob 8)
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Just had him out for a walk in the lounge & have to admit 100% improvement on yesterday :D
Shall put the vid up shortly :)
Still going to keep him in though just to be on the safe side :)
Not the best quality quite dark at times but you can get the gist of it I think :?
Please ignore the un hoovered carpet :oops:
(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii117/TotallyBonkers68/Videos/th_c08e7f8f.jpg) (http://s262.photobucket.com/albums/ii117/TotallyBonkers68/Videos/?action=view¤t=c08e7f8f.flv)
Sarah :D
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oh he's a lot better Sarah! Thats really good news! :D
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Oh he looks wonderful compared to before! Knew you would get him sorted :lol:
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Not the best quality quite dark at times...
Don't worry, Tarantino can be quite dark at times too :)
Great that he's on the mend. Amazing what a bit of TLC can do. Well done. :)
Rob 8)
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Not the best quality quite dark at times...
Don't worry, Tarantino can be quite dark at times too :)
Great that he's on the mend. Amazing what a bit of TLC can do. Well done. :)
Rob 8)
more like "quack" medicine!!! :D
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{groan} :roll:
:lol:
Just a bit of a 'mallard'y then ?
:oops:
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Please stop the bad people! :roll:
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sorry
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At least there was no big "bills" with TLC!!!!! :D :oops:
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Glad Jack came through, i missed the drama. Again! Well done on the TLC Vember... glad there was an experienced duck nurse / vet on hand :D
Shame i missed all the eggsitement...