Allotment Gardening Advice Help Chat
Growing => Grow Your Own => Topic started by: RJR_38 on September 18, 2013, 19:08
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My garlic bulbs arrived today - early purple wight and Provençal. How do I know when to put them out? My boos give the range sept-Dec and the packaging the bulbs arrived in said as soon as possible upon reciept...
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Tomorrow?
Anytime soon will enable them to grow decent roots before the soil gets really cold
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Haha! Ok then, it will be my weekend job. I wasn't sure if putting them out early would be a bad thing down south as the range in books was so big I wondered if it needed to be colder than it is here at the moment
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No, it is about right and with the extra rain we have had recently the ground will be good to go too :D
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I put a full row of elephant garlic in tonight and the rest will go in over the next few days, weather permitting.
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Haha! Ok then, it will be my weekend job. I wasn't sure if putting them out early would be a bad thing down south as the range in books was so big I wondered if it needed to be colder than it is here at the moment
you are not down south :lol:
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Would garlic do well in largish modules in an unheated greenhouse over the winter and then planted out in the spring, I ask this because I planted them out last year and they really suffered with rust and then white rot, I'm just wondering if this would save them from the worst of the weather I already put some over wintering onions in my greenhouse border
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Haha! Ok then, it will be my weekend job. I wasn't sure if putting them out early would be a bad thing down south as the range in books was so big I wondered if it needed to be colder than it is here at the moment
you are not down south :lol:
Not as south as you granted - but only 70 miles from the southern most bit of coast this side of the country so pretty south. Being so close to London we are much warmer than those closer to the coast this time of year as well. We had blackberries 3 weeks before my parents who live on the south coast for example! And everything here crops earlier.
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I thought garlic was supposed to be planted late October onwards.
http://www.rhs.org.uk/Gardening/Grow-Your-Own/Veg-A-to-Z/Garlic
RHS suggests late Autumn-early Winter.
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Well.................... it certainly feels like early winter here :dry:
Mine will get planted as soon as they arrive ;)
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Would garlic do well in largish modules in an unheated greenhouse over the winter and then planted out in the spring, I ask this because I planted them out last year and they really suffered with rust and then white rot, I'm just wondering if this would save them from the worst of the weather I already put some over wintering onions in my greenhouse border
I've suffered in the past the same fate, but not every season. It depends on how wet the winter is, I suppose, especially on my clay.
Given that garlic is believed to have originated in Central Asia, it may just be that our soils and climate don't really suit it over winter, but it does ok in certain circumstances.
I think it's a good idea to bring them on in modules, and then to transplant them in Spring when conditions are more favourable.
Best wishes
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Would garlic do well in largish modules in an unheated greenhouse over the winter and then planted out in the spring, I ask this because I planted them out last year and they really suffered with rust and then white rot, I'm just wondering if this would save them from the worst of the weather I already put some over wintering onions in my greenhouse border
I don't think it would help much with rust as this usually develops in spring and by leaving them in modules the garlic won't develop as good a root system as they would in the ground. Plus it's a lot more hassle.
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I think it's a good idea to bring them on in modules, and then to transplant them in Spring when conditions are more favourable.
I believe they need the cold of the winter as that is what causes the individual cloves, which you plant, to "split" to form the clump of new cloves in the bulb that you will harvest. If I've got that right then don't put their modules anywhere too comfy for the Winter!
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I think it's a good idea to bring them on in modules, and then to transplant them in Spring when conditions are more favourable.
I believe they need the cold of the winter as that is what causes the individual cloves, which you plant, to "split" to form the clump of new cloves in the bulb that you will harvest. If I've got that right then don't put their modules anywhere too comfy for the Winter!
That's what old Joe tells me. Don't plant garlic until the cold so that it settles in the warm earth to set up good roots. If it's planted when warm weather could be, it could start growing its top growth. No good says Joe!!!!!
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You have indeed got that right, Kristen. Garlic does not need cosy ;) But planting it now allows it to grow some decent roots before that cold sets in.
A watering in of Sulphate of Potash will help them fight off rust, and another dose around March will do no harm
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I shall plant mine around the end of October, worked for me last year :)
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I just used some of my garlic for dinner and I notice that the cloves have a green bit in the middle, so they are starting to sprout already. I've separated out the biggest cloves (not necessarily the biggest bulbs, I notice) and put them into modules. Do you think I should put them outside or in the greenhouse?
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Just received my Provence wight and Albigensian from the garlic farm. Lovely big bulbs I must say. But the they ain't cheap !
They say prep the ground in September. Plant October November. Which is what I always do. Spring planting is shown as early as jan through to April at the latest.
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Just received my Provence wight and Albigensian from the garlic farm. Lovely big bulbs I must say. But the they ain't cheap !
I think it pays to buy good quality first time around, i.e. if you are planning to keep & replant your own in future years (assuming it remains disease free :) )
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As my harvest was so dire this year, I ordered more bulbs from Marshalls.
When they arrived one set had really huge cloves and the other was small and shrivelled :(
I got straight on the phone and they immediately agreed to send a replacement pack, no hassle.
Brilliant after sales service IMO - well done Marshalls!
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Just received my Provence wight and Albigensian from the garlic farm. Lovely big bulbs I must say. But the they ain't cheap !
I think it pays to buy good quality first time around, i.e. if you are planning to keep & replant your own in future years (assuming it remains disease free :) )
I agree - and these do look very good with lots of large plump cloves. Hopefully that will be true of the inside ones too. I will also be using the larger cloves from my my saved ones from this years harvest.
edit to clarify quote
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Hi,I planted my garlic last year in oct .The results were a bit on the small side but plenty of top growth but no rust witch is good.Any tips for feeding, I use chicken pellets dug in then occasional soluble feed.(Didn't work this year) :(
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Nothing special really. Just the usual chicken pellets before planting then a dressing of BFB in the spring and any ash from the Barbie as and when it occurs. Having said that I am starting an extra garlic bed this year and have just bought some compost and sand from bnq which I will be mixing together then spreading over the bed. Probably going to do it for my onions too. We are on clay so drainage is essential.
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I went to the Garlic Farm for lunch today, treat by a friend as it was quite expensive in their café ,and they are only turning over the field at the moment ready to plant. I was a bit annoyed as they had a chart up about how much garlic they are now exporting! (I don't know whether that means to England (sorry Islander coming out there) or elsewhere) a bit like the church steeple repair fund charts you see. Not trying to put anyone off buying my Island's produce but didn't like it.
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Not quite sure where you're coming from there Wighty. Just imagine if they are exporting to France. They have every right to be smug :-)
Did you perchance notice how they were prepping the ground? I. E what fertiliser etc they were putting on? Cheers. Steve
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It is pricey to buy for growing, but managed to get 2.5kilo of Thermidrome for 17 quid. Might be able to grow enough to last the year this time round.
Totty
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That doesn't sound such a bad deal totty. Have you grown it before. I had great hopes for thermidrome this year but it was a complete disaster, each bulb being no larger than a clove which was split into several individual cloves no bigger than a pea. I would love to know what I did wrong as they were right next to my Albigensian which did extremely well. Strange
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Not grown before. Gonna give it a go though. Worth a shout at that price.
Totty
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Last winter I put my garlic in modules because I didnt yet have my plot, I planted them out in spring.
While this worked fine and I certainly got a good harvest
I noticed while harvesting the garlic I noticed how soggy the compost from the modules was in comparison with the surrounding soil, I wont be growing them in modules again because of this
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My worry about garlic in modules is they may not be deep enough
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My worry about garlic in modules is they may not be deep enough
I worried about that too, but they will only be in the modules until they sprout and then they will be in the soil, so I'm hoping they will be okay. Last year because everything was so wet, I put them in a shuttle tray full of little 2" pots, but they seem to have disappeared. :(
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I do mine in modules then into the plot when the bed is ready after the sweet corn or squashes are out.. They have time to start to build up a good set of roots before planting out.
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I've just put mine in modules as my supplier said to start them off for about 5 weeks then plant them out in a prepared bed for winter.He also gave me an elephant garlic (which didn't do much last year ) it looked strange like an onion not a clove I have planted before,he said i.o.w grow them over 2 seasons and this was his first seasons stage,he says they keep some tricks to themselves,looking forward to to see the results I'll let you know.
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Planted mine yesterday ! with my first elephant garlic "cloves" maybe they take 2 years I don't know :)
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I've just put mine in modules as my supplier said to start them off for about 5 weeks then plant them out in a prepared bed for winter.He also gave me an elephant garlic (which didn't do much last year ) it looked strange like an onion not a clove I have planted before,he said i.o.w grow them over 2 seasons and this was his first seasons stage,he says they keep some tricks to themselves,looking forward to to see the results I'll let you know.
Some of mine were like onions and some cloved up normally... just some do and some dont.. they are delicious roasted tho!!
(Last season I planted some round normal garlic and they grew really well..) so I'm going to plant a couple of my elephant roundies as well this week to compare. They are tennis ball size so may end up with foot balls!!
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Some of mine were like onions and some cloved up normally
Not enough frost / cold on them [over last winter] perhaps? Doesn't explain some-did/some-didn't though ...
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Some of mine were like onions and some cloved up normally
Not enough frost / cold on them [over last winter] perhaps? Doesn't explain some-did/some-didn't though ...
Last winter was colder than average and March was the coldest for 50 years (colder than any of the prior winter months), so I would be surprised if that was the reason.
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Last winter was colder than average and March was the coldest for 50 years (colder than any of the prior winter months), so I would be surprised if that was the reason.
Indeed, provided they were in the ground during the winter - rather than, say, in modules under cover and planted out later.
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Yup mine were in the cold frozen ground from 30 December - before that they were in their modules in a cold greenhouse with the door wide open.
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I've always planted out my garlic cloves in Spring with the onion sets and always had a decent harvest, apart from one batch this year for some strange reason (they are only now appearing!). After reading all the wisdom on here about Autumn planting I bought 12 bulbs of Marco (soft necked) yesterday and planted half the cloves (about 60) out in the plot. I'll plant the other 60 at end March with the onion sets and shallots and see for myself whether over-wintering makes any difference
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I've always planted out my garlic cloves in Spring with the onion sets and always had a decent harvest, apart from one batch this year for some strange reason (they are only now appearing!). After reading all the wisdom on here about Autumn planting I bought 12 bulbs of Marco (soft necked) yesterday and planted half the cloves (about 60) out in the plot. I'll plant the other 60 at end March with the onion sets and shallots and see for myself whether over-wintering makes any difference
Some types are for Spring planting but can also be planted now. Solent Whight I'm told are for Spring according to The Garlic Farm but I plant them now with great results..
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The garlic farm's webiste says Solent Wight are for autumn or spring planting.
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Mine went in at the weekend.