Allotment Gardening Advice Help Chat
Chatting => Equipment Shed => Topic started by: VioletSky on March 06, 2010, 22:50
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Our allotment site of 30 plots is surrounded by a wooden post & wire fence, and we enter it through a wooden bar gate like a farmer's gate but for pedestrians. The gate closes with an auto gate catch, and the last person to leave padlocks it closed.
Do most sites have this bar gate and padlock system, or is there a better system we should take a look at?
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We have a high chainlink fence around ours with concrete posts and large double gates made of steel and chainlink. We also have large and dense plantings of pyracantha and brambles all around the perimeter.
It would also have been nice to be able to have a large minefield and watch towers, but I suppose the council thought it might cause problems with paperwork in the future.
I guess the way in which you keep unwanted visitors out, depends on the type of area you live in........
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We have steel palisaid fence and gate, the deal with the key is that the gate is locked at all times. the lock is on a chain so even if its get left unlocked the lock dont get lost. Its this way due to the amount of people there are on the site there is about 170 plots.
Lock it evey time and you cant go wrong
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So if you also have locks, how does the last person out know that they're the last one out?
We can't comfortably reach the padlock if it's locked on the outside, and so I worry that one day the person who locks up won't actually be the last one out (as we don't check every plot and shed when leaving). How do you ensure there won't be a plotholder locked inside? Or am I worrying about something that will never happen?
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On our allotments, the roadway passes up the center of the site, the idea is to check that nobody else is on site as you walk along the road. However, our lock is a large combination padlock that is welded to its chain. The combination is changed four times a year (coinciding with the seasons), and every plot holder is told, by letter, at the beginning of the year ( with the charge for rents) what the numbers will be and what date they will change. Fortunately for us, the lock can be undone from inside, or outside the site.
I've found taking a phone with me quite useful, as I have been the last person on site and have been locked in. Guess which idiot couldn't remember the combination...... :blush:
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My husband and I got locked in once when we decided to finish putting support up for the raspberries. We decided to finish the job by touchlight. I'd never bothered with a key as I normally walk up and the gate only prevents vehicles but we'd driven up this day. Luckily, I'd remembered my phone and the secretary lives just round the corner :)
My children did wonder what we were doing in the shed at 10 o'clock at night ;)
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When you take a plot you get a key, when you give up you give the key back. It work well for our site.
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Our group of allotments are open to all! Every year as the nights draw in, the ne'r do wells break into the sheds as regularly as clockwork. Not much pilferring (touch wood) but as the Wilts and Berks Canal is being re-instated and it looks as though it will pass the allotments quite close, I can see that veggies will begin to walk! I shall approach the council with a plea for a decent fence but it is so easy for them to say NO! Cheers, Tony.
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We have a high chainlink fence around ours with concrete posts and large double gates made of steel and chainlink. We also have large and dense plantings of pyracantha and brambles all around the perimeter.
It would also have been nice to be able to have a large minefield and watch towers, but I suppose the council thought it might cause problems with paperwork in the future.
I guess the way in which you keep unwanted visitors out, depends on the type of area you live in........
Ours has the same kind of set up, as it is in a bit of a dodgy area ;)
Everyone has a key to the padlock and the rules are that it is supposed to be locked at all times.
It really annoys me when people don't lock it. >:( I suppose it is a pain to have to keep on doing it but it is there for a reason.
I had to come home today as I was the last one left on site. I get a bit nervy if I am there on my own.
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...Fortunately for us, the lock can be undone from inside, or outside the site.
This is what I'd like to set up, but my little brain can't figure out how to set it up so the lock can be accessed from inside the plot, to avoid locking anyone in accidentally. When anyone shuts the padlock through the chain, it can only be accessed from outside. :(
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dunno if its a good thing or bad thing, our allotment has substantial fencing and a great big metal gate, with bolt that could be locked, but we don't, touchwood have enough pilfering to warrant a key.
last year, some onions were stolen, that's it really.
I would be worried if I got locked in!
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(http://www.stopgapfencing.co.uk/images/small_palisade_gate.jpg)
This is the sort we have where the latch come across you can get your hand in and the lock is on the chain and welded to the frame. I keep my key with my water tap key so every time i go to the plot i will need my key pretty much.
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Big double gates one end, single one the other - all locked with padlocks. Surrounded by 3m high fence with barbed wire on the top, surrounded by houses. People still get in though. So far they haven't nicked much.
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Thanks very much for all the ideas you've given me, I've realised where we're going wrong with our padlock and chain...
The chain is attached to the gatepost, and the loose end wraps through the verticle bar of the gate. If I alter it so the entire chain is loose and wraps round the gatepost and the gate's verticle bar, then if anyone gets locked in then they should be able to pull the chain and its padlock round to the inside and let themselves out. Genuis!
I'm not sure why it took reading all your replies (and v.helpful picture) for me to figure out what now seems an obvious solution, but it did, so thanks lots :)
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Big double gates one end, single one the other - all locked with padlocks. Surrounded by 3m high fence with barbed wire on the top, surrounded by houses. People still get in though. So far they haven't nicked much.
Oooh that sounds good. We have been trying to improve security round ours by putting very thorny hedge cuttings along the outside of the fence. They might get in but they'll be scratched to bits!!
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My parents neighbourhood watch had an article in it by the village bobby (who was then living in the vilage police house before it was closed and sold off). He was suggesting plants to grow to deter the burglar. The one I like, but can't remember the name of, was a thorn bush, tree or climber that had prominent thorns (could be a type of euphorbia) that once it scratched someone it forms nasty red weals that take ages to heal and disappear. Apparently a lot of burglaries are carried out by known offenders, especially up in semi rural areas like our. That means the police can just keep an eye out for the first one of them with those red weals and arrest them. Kind of a deterrent and a security marking.
I know someone who put thorn branches on top a fence to deter cats. It worked, kind of, the cats still walked along the fence but kept putting their paw down and picking it up quick when they hit another thorn. Eventually they get so far and give up after a lot of pricks.
We have tow sections split by a pedestrian walkway. One side has one gate which is padlocked the other has a padlocked gate one side and the other is a small wooden double gate with only a catch latch on one side and a ground bolt on the other. So it is secure with a chainlink fence about 1.4m high around 3 sides with a steel frames gate with the same chainlnk in it and oneof those square openings around the slide bar bolt which is locked with a padlock. The padlock is always jamming up so I just use the other gate and don't need a key. We don't really have any problems with theft I think. Probably something to do with a lot of houses overlooking it with a lot of people elderly in nature walking past it during the day. Plus some retired people with plots who tend to be there a lot and the commitee member who lives overlooking it. aGood site even if it doesn't have a water supply.
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The allotment im on is 60 plots all about 17 poles. It in the middle of nowhere next to the back road out the village, no one is ever going to walk past (unless there going to walk 3 miles to the next village, its the only thing in that direction) and its sunken down behind a 6 foot hedge, and barely visible from the road, and theres no through paths.
Perfect, no one knows we are there, and theres never been a theft there in 35 years.
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We have an unlocked 5 bar gate that must be shut on exit and after entry . no locks or chains , though we do have a private sign ... that seems to work ( fingers crossed ) :blink:
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Big double gates one end, single one the other - all locked with padlocks. Surrounded by 3m high fence with barbed wire on the top, surrounded by houses. People still get in though. So far they haven't nicked much.
Oooh that sounds good. We have been trying to improve security round ours by putting very thorny hedge cuttings along the outside of the fence. They might get in but they'll be scratched to bits!!
When planting new hedges we tend to go for Hawthorn, Blackthorn, Hazel and Dog Rose. Nothing is coming through an established hedge made from that only a brush cutter or chainsaw. They also make good cattle Fedges.