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Title: And now the wasps are picking on me.
Post by: shokkyy on August 15, 2010, 20:17
I noticed today that every single pear on my tree - and there's quite a few of them - has been eaten by wasps and flies. Yet they're nowhere near ripe yet. And some of the fruit on the apple tree next to it are also being attacked by wasps, and they also are nowhere near ripe yet.

Surely it's not normal for wasps to go after rock solid fruit that isn't ripe?
Title: Re: And now the wasps are picking on me.
Post by: 8doubles on August 15, 2010, 20:30
The first fruit to ripen often has a codling moth grub in it , when i give the plum tree its first shake 95% of the 'ripe' ones that fall of have a grub in them. I expect the waspies are going for these fruit .

Another thought if every pear has a chunk out of it, have you any squirrels local.
Title: Re: And now the wasps are picking on me.
Post by: shokkyy on August 15, 2010, 21:11
The first fruit to ripen often has a codling moth grub in it , when i give the plum tree its first shake 95% of the 'ripe' ones that fall of have a grub in them. I expect the waspies are going for these fruit .

Another thought if every pear has a chunk out of it, have you any squirrels local.

No, this isn't some of the pears, it's all of them. Every single one on the tree was being eaten by flies and wasps. I stood and watched them streaming in and out of the fruit. And yes, we do have squirrels nearby, but we've got 3 dogs that are out in the garden most of the day, one of which is a lurcher, and they make pretty good squirrel deterrents.
Title: Re: And now the wasps are picking on me.
Post by: pigeonpie on August 15, 2010, 23:02
Wasps have amazingly strong jaws and will easily eat through a perfectly healthy piece of fruit.  Every apple on my new Discovery tree has wasp holes in.  I know they normally like these apples as they used to enjoy the old tree and I've always thought that it's because it's an early fruiting variety.  However, I've never known them to be quite so greedy!
I usually put a wasp trap under the fruit trees but I don't really like to as I know wasps do have their uses but I figure I'm only catching those who are threatening the fruit, not the rest of the garden. 
Title: Re: And now the wasps are picking on me.
Post by: shokkyy on August 16, 2010, 00:03
Wasps have amazingly strong jaws and will easily eat through a perfectly healthy piece of fruit.  Every apple on my new Discovery tree has wasp holes in.  I know they normally like these apples as they used to enjoy the old tree and I've always thought that it's because it's an early fruiting variety.  However, I've never known them to be quite so greedy!
I usually put a wasp trap under the fruit trees but I don't really like to as I know wasps do have their uses but I figure I'm only catching those who are threatening the fruit, not the rest of the garden. 

At this point it's too late for the pears, but I really don't want to lose the whole crop from the apple tree, and nor do I want to pick them now, before they're ripe. There's already a few apples being attacked by wasps, and I suspect once all the pears are gone completely they'll move over to the rest of the apples. I too don't like to do anything to harm them, but I don't know of any other way to stop them. I certainly don't want to go searching for the nest and kill off the whole lot.

What surprises me is that when the fruit is so unripe I wouldn't have thought it would be giving off any smell to attract the wasps. And I'm also surprised this has suddenly happened this year, when it's never happened before. There's always a wasp nest somewhere in the garden, cos it's a big garden, but the only thing I've noticed them attacking before was the gages when they started smelling ripe.
Title: Re: And now the wasps are picking on me.
Post by: Salmo on August 16, 2010, 00:58
There is probably a nest quite close to the tree. One less wasp nest will probably solve your problem.
Title: Re: And now the wasps are picking on me.
Post by: Paul Plots on August 16, 2010, 01:13
Take care with them... a mate of mine had a very bad reaction to being stung by one wasp on the plot as he disturbed their nest next to a compost heap.  :(

An arm that looked like Popeye's and great discomfort for a week.
Title: Re: And now the wasps are picking on me.
Post by: evie2 on August 16, 2010, 14:00
we used to sell wasp catchers, glass bottle, open bottom with a channel you put something sweet in and some water, wasps fly up and can't fly out.  I've never used one myself however those who have love them.
Title: Re: And now the wasps are picking on me.
Post by: 8doubles on August 16, 2010, 15:43
I have watched wasps chewing pieces off a fence post to make their nest which proves they have the jaw power to break into the hardest fruit but it still seems unusual that all of the pears are under attack. Wasps normally seem to concentrate on one or two fruit eating it hollow before moving on to a fresh fruit.

I still think that the damage may have been started by a young squirrel or even several birds before the wasps took over.

If you want to thin the wasps out a bit here`s a simple trap, http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Wasp-Trap
Title: Re: And now the wasps are picking on me.
Post by: pigeonpie on August 16, 2010, 20:05
Wasps normally seem to concentrate on one or two fruit eating it hollow before moving on to a fresh fruit.

I still think that the damage may have been started by a young squirrel or even several birds before the wasps took over.


Perhaps if there are so many wasps they don't want to share?  I'm pretty sure all the apples on my tree have only had wasp damage, although it is only a young tree so not huge amounts of fruit.
I make a wasp trap by putting a 1cm hole in the lid of a jam jar, putting a few spoonfuls of jam in the jar, putting on the lid and placing it out under the trees.  The wasps are attracted by the sweet jam but then can't get back out.
Title: Re: And now the wasps are picking on me.
Post by: evie2 on August 18, 2010, 10:09

If you want to thin the wasps out a bit here`s a simple trap, http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Wasp-Trap


Excellent tip doubles  :D
Title: Re: And now the wasps are picking on me.
Post by: PennyS on August 18, 2010, 14:44
I bought some "Waspinators" recently, and they seem to be working.

The idea is they look like a wasp nest so they deter wasps from the area.  I've been hanging them near our patio at home and under the parasol when we eat.  I also took them camping.  They do definitely seem to minimise the numbers of wasps that visit, although presumably the wasps need to have seen them to know they're there, so they're not an instant remedy.

I got them from my local camping shop (£12 or so for 2) and I've seen them in those catalogues you get with the Sunday papers.

I used to use traps but I found they attracted wasps so although they trapped them, they brought more into the vicinity....

hope this helps, Penny
Title: Re: And now the wasps are picking on me.
Post by: Coach on August 18, 2010, 15:17


If you want to thin the wasps out a bit here`s a simple trap, http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Wasp-Trap
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What about the wasps rights!!!

You will have the do-gooders after you :tongue2: 8)
Title: Re: And now the wasps are picking on me.
Post by: 8doubles on August 18, 2010, 15:32


If you want to thin the wasps out a bit here`s a simple trap, http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Wasp-Trap


What about the wasps rights!!!

You will have the do-gooders after you :tongue2: 8)
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I am pro-wasp the only ones i kill are by-catch in the fly trap. The wopsies save my brassica`s from the hoards of caterpillars but if some are a problem i would rather people kill those few rather than wipe out the whole nest.

Pest control is preferable to exterminating the whole native species, unless you have Dalek tendencies. :)
Title: Re: And now the wasps are picking on me.
Post by: Paul Plots on August 19, 2010, 00:03
Apparently there are around 300 different types of wasp in the UK, if the article linked to below is correct,  so I guess we shouldn't be too hard on them if ony 5 or 6 types are actually a pest in and around our homes.

            Click here for Waspies (http://www.the-piedpiper.co.uk/th4.htm)
Title: Re: And now the wasps are picking on me.
Post by: plopleuk on August 19, 2010, 07:52
dont kill them just deter like suggested already, get them here.

http://www.waspinator.co.uk/?gclid=CLe00Nf6xKMCFWUA4wodmA-FZA
Title: Re: And now the wasps are picking on me.
Post by: shokkyy on August 19, 2010, 09:05
dont kill them just deter like suggested already, get them here.

http://www.waspinator.co.uk/?gclid=CLe00Nf6xKMCFWUA4wodmA-FZA

Thanks, I'll give that a go. Apart from anything else, the traps that actually kill wasps can all just as easily kill bees. That's the trouble with traps generally, they're completely undiscriminatory.
Title: Re: And now the wasps are picking on me.
Post by: ma baker on August 19, 2010, 18:21
Hi all, just to share what happened to me last year i noticed lots of wasps in my garden around my gala apple tree. Decided to remove the apples after dark when i thought all the wasps would be back at their nest! so with bin bag and torch I crept out and found that the wasps had set up multiple occupancy dwellings in the actual apples which they had hollowed out!! Yuck. I now have no apple tree as I cut it down rather than have them come back this year.
Title: Re: And now the wasps are picking on me.
Post by: Paul Plots on August 19, 2010, 22:02
Hi all, just to share what happened to me last year i noticed lots of wasps in my garden around my gala apple tree. Decided to remove the apples after dark when i thought all the wasps would be back at their nest! so with bin bag and torch I crept out and found that the wasps had set up multiple occupancy dwellings in the actual apples which they had hollowed out!! Yuck. I now have no apple tree as I cut it down rather than have them come back this year.

That was drastic!

Couldn’t you have tried putting up a notice first: “No Vacancies – The tree’s full”
Title: Re: And now the wasps are picking on me.
Post by: peterjf on August 19, 2010, 22:36
to me , the wasps are searching for grubs , caterpillars ,

we found a small dish of malt vinegar works a treat ,

anything sweet turns the wasps drunk , even sweat can make a wasp aggresive

place the vinegar up wind of where you are working ,

the aroma will drift around to where you are working ,