Allotment Gardening Advice Help Chat
Growing => Grow Your Own => Topic started by: Kleftiwallah on October 30, 2022, 17:21
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Good evening everyone,
well the broad beans are through, peeping their heads above ground. Just netted them to deny the pidgeons a nice little snack. :)
Cheers, Tony.
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Nice bit late with mine got some I’m pots but not many still trying to get ground ready they do so much better I find from an autum sowing no black fly
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Got just half a dozen growing in wee pots. Probably sow a few more in a week. Then plant out when ready. I'll put another couple of rows in during spring when there's a bit more clear space,
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It's encouraging to see other folks planting broad beans in the autumn. That's really my only choice in terms of weather, it is too hot at other seasons. This is the first year I've tried to grow broad beans.
I have about 40 to 45 seeds in the ground, in two rows, they are sprouting quite well. There's a nice tuft of leaves where each seed is coming up.
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We have a bit more leeway here SP.
Autumn sowing gives you an earlier crop and the plants are more robust so do not have so many of the tender leaf tips beloved of aphids. Some sow January or February, usually in pots to get them going before planting out. Some carry on with later sowings in the spring to extend the season.
Good luck with yours. It will interesting to see if you can pull it off :)
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I’ve sown a few short rows of The Sutton last week in the poly tunnel. Probably a bit early to be honest but PT growing is still very new to me. I’ve never done well with sowing outdoors in Autumn, I’ve always found the winter frosts finish them off eventually, having said that , I’ve not done them for a few years & those years we’ve not had severe weather so it would be Sod’s law to try again outside & then we have a bad winter .
:wacko:
The ones I sowed last year in the PT we’re done in November & grew to enormous heights & cropped well, so I thought I’d try a bit earlier so hopefully they crop earlier & are out ready for the toms to go in, we shall see
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I have heard varying stories regarding how cold is too cold for broad beans. This website: https://www.growveg.com/guides/how-to-grow-fall-planted-fava-beans/ (https://www.growveg.com/guides/how-to-grow-fall-planted-fava-beans/) says hardy down to -10 C (or 14 F). Does that sound right? or too cold?
I think if temps were going colder than 20 F (7 C) I'd be putting a tarp over them. Or will they tolerate colder without problems?
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I think sometimes here mine died from cold, wet & windy weather over a period of time to be honest. At least they won’t be too wet in my tunnel.
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Everyone seems to be sowing these very early. I thought they got too leggy and vulnerable to bad weather if you planted them too early? Checked my seed packet and it said November as I remembered. Do need to get them in now though. Never had much luck overwintering them, but nice to see something growing.
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Got mine in today :)
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Last year's late autumn outdoor sowing did very well indeed probably because of the mild winter, so I've sown a double row again this year. Fingers crossed we don't get another beast from the east or equivalent. I read somewhere that providing protection can lead to rot developing, but should we get some hard frosts I'll try to get them covered.
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I'm still looking for suggestions please, how cold is too cold for broad beans, and requires covering up?
The website which suggests hardiness down to -10 °C sounds too optimistic, but I'm thinking I don't need to cover them yet, four nights from now, when it's forecast to dip to -2 °C overnight.
For outdoor plants (my only option), when would you cover them up? When would you not bother?
FWIW, some of mine are 8 inches tall now, others are still mere sprouts, just peeking above the soil.
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I grew Bunyard Exhibition broad beans last year sowing them on 4th December in pots, I left them in my unheated greenhouse until I planted them out on 22nd February.
I remember we had some really cold temperatures up here down to -4 one night but I ended up with a great crop.
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Thank you Andy. Was that -4 C, or -4 F?
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It's hard to generalise SP. I lost autumn showings 3 years running. I find cold winds are more of an issue than temperature but our site is exposed.
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Thank you Andy. Was that -4 C, or -4 F?
Sorry... -4c
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Thank you Andy. Was that -4 C, or -4 F?
Sorry... -4c
Thanks for clarifying. Since you are "oop north", I wanted to be sure which scale to be looking at! :lol:
Here, we usually do get -4 C a few times each winter. Very rarely as cold as -13 or -14 C. I grew up in Indiana, up there -25 C was not uncommon, sometimes colder too!
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Oop North.. As in the North East UK :)
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Posted elsewhere, but I will re-post a link on general winter-kill temperatures here:
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.sustainablemarketfarming.com/2016/11/01/winter-kill-temperatures-of-winter-hardy-vegetables-2016/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjZnprYh6j7AhWjHEQIHcb5AZoQFnoECAgQAg&usg=AOvVaw3ve2Xiv9r4zHe8_lBSx6i1 (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.sustainablemarketfarming.com/2016/11/01/winter-kill-temperatures-of-winter-hardy-vegetables-2016/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjZnprYh6j7AhWjHEQIHcb5AZoQFnoECAgQAg&usg=AOvVaw3ve2Xiv9r4zHe8_lBSx6i1)
I found this link trying to locate information on tatsoi. Based on the information at the link, including updates, my Windsor broad beans will need protection if temperatures might reach lower than 25 F (-4 C), confirming what Andy said.
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Good morning everyone, the broad beans are looking awfully leggy, I hope they will thicken up!
I've covered them with a plastic sheet in case the heavy rain forecast overnight batters them down. This morning I've punctured the pools of rainwater accumulated on top of the plastic sheet.
Cheers, Tony. :)
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Looked at my Windsor broad beans today, some seem to have what look like flower buds forming (seems too early), or maybe they are just new leafy sprouts? We'll wait and see.
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Well...I've just had a shufti at the broad beans when I flung back the plastic side of the temporary greenhouse andI must say they are akll looking a little DROOPY!
I've flung back the side facing the sun hoping to cheer them up. The intercropped garlic must be reveling in the chill.
But let's hope.
Cheers, Tony.
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Confirmed that I'm seeing buds on 80 percent or more of the plants, 49 days after the chitted seeds went in the ground. Maybe broad beans to go with the black-eyed peas and collards for new years day?
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My Suttons are doing well in an unheated greenhouse. They always amaze me. It was minus 4.3C in there yesterday morning and although babies they werent even shivering!
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Ours are definitly looking poorly. :ohmy:
Cheers, Tony.
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Ours are definitly looking poorly. :ohmy:
Cheers, Tony.
I hope they recover Tony. Or at least, that you are able to get a second sowing in when the weather warms a bit.
Mine will suffer a trial next week, when the forecast low will be -10 C, high will be at freezing. I will have them fully tented at least, I'll see if I can fend off the worst damage.
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Ours are definitly looking poorly. :ohmy:
Cheers, Tony.
I hope they recover Tony. Or at least, that you are able to get a second sowing in when the weather warms a bit.
Mine will suffer a trial next week, when the forecast low will be -10 C, high will be at freezing. I will have them fully tented at least, I'll see if I can fend off the worst damage.
The forecast low Friday night keeps getting colder, now -12 C predicted here in beautiful subtropical Georgia. I'll try adding a top layer of old comforters, see if that helps, but other than that, they will either make it, or won't.
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It appears the cold killed everything. Possibly one plant might survive, but it also looks damaged.
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:(
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It's hard to generalise SP. I lost autumn showings 3 years running. I find cold winds are more of an issue than temperature but our site is exposed.
That's the problem on the Fylde coast, the wind :mad: Mine will go in Mid Jan and I only grow the Sutton so they don't get hit as bad with the wind and can take some cold temps.
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Just painted Aquadulce today, in pots in the back yard, that way if weather gets atrocious between now and March I can bring them into an unheated room.
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My Suttons are doing well in an unheated greenhouse. They always amaze me. It was minus 4.3C in there yesterday morning and although babies they werent even shivering!
Spoke too soon :( The stems turned black and they then died. It got down to -12C here. They are in an unheated greenhouse in modules which I think just froze.
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Just painted Aquadulce today, in pots in the back yard, that way if weather gets atrocious between now and March I can bring them into an unheated room.
I may try planting in pots too. I purchased some Aquadulce with a recent seed order. I may try some outdoors in pots, with the thought of putting them in the crawl space under the house if needed. Are you planning on leaving them in pots, or putting them in the ground eventually?
I will leave enough seeds to try again in the autumn.
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Our BBs are thin and straggly but look as though they will perk up come the global warming! I'll be glad to ditch the plastic I have protecting them, the rattling is driving me round the twist! :D Cheers, Tony.
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Hmm, got me thinking. Might try a dozen seeds in unheated greenhouse. The last 6 in pots in backyard went black and died during December freeze so would like some follow ons for the ones in the ground
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I’ve got Wizard field beans overwintering on the plot. They are tough as can be and generally just shrug off any weather the winter wants to chuck their way. They were looking a bit bedraggled last time I went, but still standing and will be getting going again soon.
Sowing normal broad beans in late January in an unheated greenhouse worked well for me last year. I’ve got seeds ready and will be getting on with that in a week or 2 :)
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Just painted Aquadulce today, in pots in the back yard, that way if weather gets atrocious between now and March I can bring them into an unheated room.
I may try planting in pots too. I purchased some Aquadulce with a recent seed order. I may try some outdoors in pots, with the thought of putting them in the crawl space under the house if needed. Are you planning on leaving them in pots, or putting them in the ground eventually?
I will leave enough seeds to try again in the autumn.
Try a few of them now to see how you get on from a mid January planting - should be ready early July, so miss the worst of the GA heat (I've friends in Rome & Dawsonville - was over in November).
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Just painted Aquadulce today, in pots in the back yard, that way if weather gets atrocious between now and March I can bring them into an unheated room.
I may try planting in pots too. I purchased some Aquadulce with a recent seed order. I may try some outdoors in pots, with the thought of putting them in the crawl space under the house if needed. Are you planning on leaving them in pots, or putting them in the ground eventually?
I will leave enough seeds to try again in the autumn.
Try a few of them now to see how you get on from a mid January planting - should be ready early July, so miss the worst of the GA heat (I've friends in Rome & Dawsonville - was over in November).
I might give it a shot to see what happens, but we often get temps over 32 C in June, and I have experienced 42 C in June as well! (42 C was highly unusual, a record high). This autumn, I will try chitting seeds earlier, most likely in late August or in September, depending on the weather.
I'm glad you had a chance to visit Georgia in November. If you are ever back this way again, try visiting Cloudland Canyon, especially in late October to early November. Beautiful fall color. It is about an hour or so north of Rome, Georgia, in the far northwest part of the state.
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Reviving a somewhat old thread, with a question.
Back in December, a deep freeze (far colder than our normal) killed all of my broad bean plants . . . except for one plant. That plant lost the top leaves, but sprouted from the base. I now have multiple stems, maybe 14 to 18 inches tall, that have been blooming for 3 or more weeks.
What's the question? With all those flowers, I was thinking that I would see a bean pod or two developing. I haven't even seen a hint of a bean pod developing.
We have had relatively mild weather, a few temperatures just a bit below freezing in the early morning, but mostly warmer. Day temperatures mostly in the 18 to 24 C range, but occasionally a degree or two warmer. Rain has been fairly typical for the time of year.
The plant is growing in a raised bed in which compost is mixed with mineral soil. I haven't really fooled with fertilizer in 2023, though I may have applied a little when I re-planted peas in a different area in the same bed.
Am I being too impatient? I haven't grown broad beans before (our climate is marginal for them) I'm just curious why I'm getting loads of flowers but no beans at all.
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Are there plenty of pollinators around ?
Although Broad beans are self fertile, they do better if pollinated by insects too.
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Bees and other flying and crawling pollinators are already very active in my yard, though I haven't specifically seen any pollinators on this plant. We have a holly tree 15 meters away that is humming with a variety of bees.
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If broad beans are in dry soil they need water to produce nectar, pollinators will not come to the flowers if there is no nectar.
I see you have had normal rainfall for your region but it may be worth checking the raised bed?
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If broad beans are in dry soil they need water to produce nectar, pollinators will not come to the flowers if there is no nectar.
I see you have had normal rainfall for your region but it may be worth checking the raised bed?
Thank you, I'll keep an eye on moisture, but the soil in that bed seems pretty moist. As you say, it is worth checking, I'll do that.
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Planted mine in oct aqua dolce about 3 inch high Bobbie they don’t need support until they get a bit bigger also I personally find I don’t
Get black fly if I plant over winter every time I’ve spring planted o got black fly
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Spring planted have much sappier shoots which is why they get more black fly I think. I pinch off the tops when they are in full flower and don't get them
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Right makes sense snow I’ve tried nip tops out before with spring sown helps
A bit but I prefer to plant in winter it’s nice to have some bit going through winter I look forward to the Broad beans on toast one of
My first crops does that apply to a few
Crops then snow I imagine it would
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Planted mine in oct aqua dolce about 3 inch high Bobbie they don’t need support until they get a bit bigger also I personally find I don’t
Get black fly if I plant over winter every time I’ve spring planted o got black fly
I'd guess the winter planted ones will have thicker, woodier stems that the wee b*ggers can't get their little pointy noses into!
Windy.
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After the aquadulce froze to death, I sowed 20 Bunyards Exhibition in the unheated GH. !0 have come thro and I'm now hardening them off and waiting for the others to show.
Ee, but its good for morale to see them doing so well ( so far )
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I rate Bunyards exhibition, I find them very good natured and they always perform well for me, probably better than Aquadulce, I’ve had success with spring and autumn planting.
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After adding a bit of fertilizer, and some wet weather, suddenly I'm getting a few Broad Beans!
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After adding a bit of fertilizer, and some wet weather, suddenly I'm getting a few Broad Beans!
Brilliant, I picked the first of this years crop yesterday
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Mine are in flower. Pinched out the tops a couple of days ago hoping that will deter the ants and aphids from milking the crop!
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I've been having broad bean trouble this year.
I normally sow Wizard field beans in the autumn and find them to be very hardy and reliable.
This year I was given some Syrian black broad bean seeds and decided to give them a try.
I planted them out in spring, but they didn't make much growth and looked increasingly bedraggled. Then I discovered that the pigeons had been attacking them and I have had to put them under netting. The plants have recovered a little but I am now worried I will have lack of pollination.
Does anyone else have trouble with pigeons eating broad beans?
Think I will go back to Wizard next year, the pigeons don't seem to like those.
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Fingers crossed mine are uncovered and undamaged just a few ants wandering about.
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Ive just noticed the first of the black fly on mine. They are only 60-70cm high. Should I still pinch out the tips?
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Ive just noticed the first of the black fly on mine. They are only 60-70cm high. Should I still pinch out the tips?
I think it depends on how many flowers you already have on the stem.
You could hold off pinching the tops out and just tip your washing up liquid over those ants. ( clearly a mistake as I wouldn’t recommend an unlicensed use for diluted washing up liquid! ) good luck
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Decided to add some support as mine have lots of flowers. Used some bamboo and string as I didn’t fancy paying nearly £20 for a basic bit of plastic from a garden centre.