Allotment Gardening Advice Help Chat
Growing => Grow Your Own => Topic started by: Beetroot queen on July 03, 2013, 22:02
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Now we get three skips a year supplied by the council they get filled within the day but thats another post in itself. Outside of skip times we are asked to remove rubbish as we create it, fair enough we all ( or most do without issue)
The site has three areas labelled by the council as "wildlife areas" basically they are overgrown and left too it. This is where the problem starts. In our terms and conditions it cleary states that rubbish even weeds etc must not be dumped on these areas.
We have one old boy who does and doesnt give a damn, hes in with the council person and takes no notice of what people say. Problem being he now has a new plot neighbour who he has told to follow suit and do the same. The bank they have created is nearly three foot high and looks a mess. I did speak to the newbie tonight to explain its not really allowed and all weeds etc need to be removed to which he replied in very good english "i dont speak much english so i'll be ok to carry on then" ::)
I did try and explain and he got it until i obviously said something he didnt want to hear, so what do i do now. Ignore it and end up with a mountain next to my plot, report it to the council, or just keep trying.
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Report it to the council, BQ.
Make it the council's problem - not yours.
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Report both of them to the council why should they not stick to the rules when eveyone else has to ...
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I think you knew the answer before you asked the question. :lol:
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I think you knew the answer before you asked the question. :lol:
Its always me, every one else just turns a blind eye which is fine but its next to my plot. ::)
I was also a bit stunned when the same man peed on the grass right in front of my 12 year old, no attempt to make it hidden or in a bucket or on the heap. Oh no just as plain as day. I felt really uncomfortable for her as i dont think it appropriate in front of a girl her age, she got a full view :blink:
9am i'll pop in on the way out. :mellow:
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Report him for exposing himself. There's no excuse for that. Even in an emergency, he should've gone round the back of his shed out of view.
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That's just not on. He needs reporting.
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I'm afraid he's not committed an offence that the police can deal with, if that's what you're thinking.
The offence of indecent exposure involves more than he's done and urinating in a public place is just that. Allotments are not public.
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Do you not have a committee or something that he could be reported to? I think the best course of action would have been to say something at the time...I know you were probably stunned but shouting something like "Do you really think that's an appropriate thing to do in front of a 12 year old girl?" would probably make him think that it could be considered an offence...or at the very least, a stupid thing to do which could land him in hot water.
It's a shame but there's always one that spoils it for the few >:(
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Why don't they just burn their weeds etc !!!!
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Maybe they're not permitted to. We aren't on our site.
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:mad: Sad to say, it doesn't matter which section of society we talk about or are involved in, there is always a minority who think they can do as they please. I take every opportunity I can to remind them of their civic responsibilities.
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Maybe they're not permitted to. We aren't on our site.
Good point ;)
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BeeQ
Firstly this man would have got a smack if this was in front of my kid , not a pubilc place no worries
But esspecial in front of a 12 year old girl arrrhhh..better to stop typing on this one .
Secondly we have a very smilar problem wit rubbish
We have a plot that floods pretty bad so in an attemp to rasie the ground a little we decided to mark this out for green wastes dumping only , but within a few weeks a couple of plot holders decided to dump all there rubbish on the plot plastic glass metal you name it ...
We informed the site manager and she wrote a letter asking them to remove it problem is people had already started dumping green waste over the top , a right mess .....
So I totaly understand but the end result is these people are now not made to feel welcome anymore and will problay leave on there one accord
Good luck
Rob
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BeeQ that is disgusting. I think I would complain to the secretary, especially about the exposure. Sombody should speak to him.
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I'm afraid he's not committed an offence that the police can deal with, if that's what you're thinking.
The offence of indecent exposure involves more than he's done and urinating in a public place is just that. Allotments are not public.
my house is backed onto so you telling me when im gardening I can just lob it out and have a pee without worrying ? sorry but that's rubbish, if you phone the police up and I would be doing they'll be down there in a shot,if hed done it in front of my kids hed be sitting down to pee, this bloke sounds like someone who thinks he can do what he wants and has been doing for so long bout time he was put in his place. Id contact your allotment secretary and council allotment officer informing them what he does and the latest incident and tell them your informing the police.sorry rant over ::)
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I know it can be a difficult position, you need both a strong council and a strong committee.
We had similar problems with general rubbish but now Blackpool is self managed and our site has a strong committee, rubbish is no longer an issue.
If a plot holder become too messy with rubbish a photo is taken and they are written to, if after two weeks nothing has been done another photo is taken and reported to the federation who issue a termination notice.
No pun intended but there is no messing :D around now and its suprising how the messy ones have cleared there plots.
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To finleyfreyaseth.
I was in the police for nearly 30 years, so what I have posted is not without foundation.
Police powers are very limited in non public places.
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Vagrancy act extract re indecent exposure:
every person wilfully openly, lewdly, and obscenely exposing his person in any street, road, or public highway, or in the view thereof, or in any place of public resort, with intent to insult any female
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You have to prove this bit: "with intent to insult any female".
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To finleyfreyaseth.
I was in the police for nearly 30 years, so what I have posted is not without foundation.
Police powers are very limited in non public places.
so you saying I can wander into my garden starkers and theres nothing the police can do? im pretty sure if my neighbours rung the police thered be a knock at my door,as if the poster informed the police that the said person exposed himself by urinating openly onto the ground in view of a minor theyd have something to say as im sure the council and committee would then have reason to evict him.
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We have reported him to the council so watch this space. If i see him do it again believe me he will get told whats what.
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so you saying I can wander into my garden starkers and theres nothing the police can do? im pretty sure if my neighbours rung the police thered be a knock at my door,as if the poster informed the police that the said person exposed himself by urinating openly onto the ground in view of a minor theyd have something to say as im sure the council and committee would then have reason to evict him.
Yes you can garden naked - there's no lewdness in gardening ;) so the police would/could do nothing.
If the neighbours didn't like it they'd have to put a higher fence up!Their choice.
I'm sure that most people who are naked in their gardens choose to be discreet though :D
The Council are the people who need to sort this out, as they should think that it is objectionable behaviour on their land. Most behaviour like this is covered by the clause in our agreement The Tenant shall not cause any nuisance or annoyance to the occupiers of any other allotments
This could be used to terminate an agreement.
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MOS is correct we also have that clause in our contract. I just didnt find it comfortable even at my age but i know my 12 year old was very embarrassed as she has commented several times today.
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To finleyfreyaseth.
I was in the police for nearly 30 years, so what I have posted is not without foundation.
Police powers are very limited in non public places.
surely an allotment is a public place?
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Unfortunately not I believe it is classed as private ,as the public have no right of access !
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Allotment sites are not usually for the general public, they are for tenants only, mostly behind fences and locked gates. That's why enforcing the tenancy agreement is the way forward.
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Ours is gated and locked but with nearly 90 plots i think its 90 people still have to have some rules to follow. We have a high number of women and a high number of children on site at all times. Mind you hubby said he doesnt want to see it either :)