Allotment Gardening Advice Help Chat
Growing => Grow Your Own => Topic started by: AndyP on July 29, 2010, 12:00
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Hi. I took on an allotment on Sunday with my fiancée (see photo for how it looked on Sunday) and since then I have been down 2 afternoons to start clearing the weeds and a few things have cropped up. So my questions are:
I have been digging up the weeds using a fork and trying to remove all of the plant and roots. I have then been putting the weeds into a giant binbag. I was wondering what I should do with these weeds? I was worried that if I put them in the compost that I'd end up growing weeds in the compost bin or would potentially planting weeds when I come to use the compost? I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed to hVe a fire at the allotments, so do I have to just bin all these weeds? Seems like a bit of a waste!?!
I have come across a lot of pieces of broken glass, bits of roof slate and bricks and stones. I discovered the hard way about the broken glass when a piece sliced through my thumb whilst I was pulling up a weed. Since then I have probably found 30 or more pieces of glass in the 4' x 20' section I have cleared so far so I'm guessing I've got a lot more to find. I was wondering what techniques and tips people had for spotting and removing bits of glass from the ground? So far I have just been keeping my eyes peeled and picking them up carefully with gloves on as soon as I spot them.
I've been digging up quite a few large-ish stones (about 2" diameter). I've also found quote a few larger stones and bricks that I have used to hold a tarpaulin down over the bits I have cleared, but I was wondering if there was anything I should hold onto these smaller stones for anything or if I should just chuck them?
I think that's everything I was wondering today. No doubt I'll have some more questions after I go down on Friday!
Thanks!
Andy
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Hi Andy,
How exciting - a new allotment!
For the weeds, I think you can compost them as long as they have not gone to seed. If they have then I'd be very careful removing them so as not to scatter seed all over the place and bin them.
The glass will be an ongoing problem I think, unless you use a sieve on the soil to pick out the big bits. Be careful though - I find it really easy to become a bit complacent and careless with broken glass, then it bites you!
Not sure if there's a use for stones - I sometimes put them in the bottom of plant pots for a bit of extra drainage...
Like you, I'm just learning about gardening, so I might be talking rubbish!
Hope it all goes well!
Ian
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Verily littlefarmer, thou speakest with the wisdom of Confucius!
Your local council recycling centre should be able to take your green waste should you feel it's not suitable for composting, and yes; it is all too easy to recycle weed seeds via your compost heap (not to mention various squashes, tomatoes, and potatoes!)
I would concentrate on getting the larger and more obvious sorts of rubble and rubbish out of the plot; if the soil is basically quite stony anyway you will finish up with no hair if you get too obsessed with trying to get them all out as the cycle of rain and frost continually brings new ones to the surface!
Enjoy your new plot!
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HI. Regarding putting weeds in black bin bags; Last Autumn when i was clearing my new plot, I put some weeds into black plastic bags, folded the tops over and then put them into an empty compost bin i had been given. I forgot all about them until the other day when i was going to put the compost bin to use and found the bags in there, The weeds look as though they have turned into lovely compost rich and brown and no signs of any plant life. I think i will dig it into one of the beds this autumn. As for the other 20 plus bags i had i took them to the local dump. As we are having nice hot weather you could try spreading the weeds out on to a peice of taupaulin or large plastic, they should die in the heat of the sun. Just be mindful if they have gone to seed tho.
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Nice to see you've got on-site facilities ::) ::) ::).
We compost most weeds, as someone said providing they haven't gone to seed, but we steer clear of buttercups, bindweed, couch grass and the perenials.
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Hiya,
Putting weeds in black bags is good idea I recon - if they are left in the sun it'll get above 60c in there & that will kill any plant life & most viruses. If you 'hot compost' it'll do the same thing..plus you will not stop weeds coming back no matter what you do so compost away.
As for the glass well..so far I've easily picked 4 bucket loads & I still find bits where I've just cleared. I've found out that 'round yer it's customary on giving up your plot to scatter shards all over it (to skip around like Rumple Stiltskin while doing it is not unknown)... Picking it all up again is a right of passage thing for the newbie to go through. :blink:
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Thanks for all the replies guys. It's a real help as I've basically got no idea what I'm doing!!!! I am frantically reading every allotment and 'grow your own' book I can lay my hands on!
I think I'm going to leave my weeds in the binbag they're in as it's pretty damn heavy and I don't fancy emptying it out! Plus it's full of spiky brambles that have already spiked me half to death, so there's no way I'm going to let them get me again!
Luckily I've got a a good supply of wheelie bin binbags which are nice and big and nice and thick so I'll keep at it!
I'm glad to see that you like my attempt at a portaloo!! It was lying in a pile of rubbish opposite my plot and I desperately needed somewhere to sit and rest whilst digging up weeds so I adopted it as my garden chair!
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And when you've finished using it to 'sit' on you can plant strawberrys in it, the idea is to look at everything before you throw it away to see if you can put it to good use. You'll do okay, all the best.
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Congrats on the new plot!! Exciting isnt it? :-D
Yup, like many said, perennials can't be composted, unless you use a hot composter. Its hard to be sure with a regular compost heap whether it will get hot enough to kill the plants. But drying them out should work ok too, especially in this weather.
I've been told that bramble roots will rot down ok if you put them in a barrel of water (though i've got so many that i would need a LOT of barrels, there'd be no room to grow anything lol)
When i started clearing mine, i cut all the nettles first and popped them into a big bin of water to rot down- its an EXCELLENT nitrogen feed!!! Brilliant for your leafy veg, just water at the base of the plants with it. You know its ready to use once it starts to stink something awful. :wacko:
Glass seems to be ubiquitous on plots... I found whole panes of greenhouse glass spread out about a foot underground in mine.... sigh, why do ppl BURY things!! Of course i didnt know it was there until i put my fork through it, shattering it into a zillion pieces.... also found other bits of greenhouse, shoes, roofing material, HALF a rotted rusting wheelbarrow, and a v large heavy sheet of metal, rusted (no idea what that was)- and I've only dug about quarter of the plot so far- slows you down something serious trying to unearth things- so hopefully glass will be all you find. (mine was seriously overgrown for 20 yrs+)
BUT, most importantly, what i wanted to say is- part and parcel of turning the soil over, what will happen is that years of seeds that have been waiting for the right conditions to germinate, will do exactly that.
I was getting a but twitchy about making sure i got ALL the bindweed roots out, until i realised... there's hundreds of thousands of bind weed seeds here that i cant see, that will germinate sooner or later.....
*tumbleweed moment*
and then i realised, that theres no reason to get twitchy about missing a few bits of root- things will pop up and they'll be easy spotted and pulled before they get going much so.... theres NO point getting frustrated about it...
Theres a few allotment neighbours of mine who put in all the hard work digging and who got really despondent about that- because they felt they'd "done something wrong"- really expecting it to stay clear for a bit longer. It won't. Its natural.... so just hoe em up when the weeds are young- its all compost anyway :-)
Good luck/ break a root!
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A bit of an update...have put up a new fence, dug up a load more weeds and on Sunday constructed my new shed from Freecycle! I had to buy some new tanalised 3x2s to sit it on as some of the base had rotted, but £19 on timber is a hell of a lot cheaper than a new shed!
I've also built my pallet compost bins and planted comfrey in my toilet!
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Right...best get digging up some more weeds!
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Very impressive, fancy a trip to York? ;) :lol:
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Wow, haven't you done well this week. Keep it up - it's worth all the digging when you harvest your first veg. :)
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Nice work!! You've been busy! :)
Thats a pretty high fence! Is that typical of the allotments where you are? Ours don't allow fences, but i woulda thought one that high might create some unwanted shade for you?
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A lot of the plots on my site are fenced in. I guess people like their privacy! I've fenced mine in because I want to be able to take my 2 dogs and not have them going on anyone else's plots. Also the fencing was free so just happened to be that size! The other 3 sides of my plot have herris(?) fencing so they don't create any shade and the wooden fence is onthe west side of my plot so sun has generally dipped below the houses by the time it gets round there anyway. It's also between two shipping containers which cause worse shade! I'm having my shed and compost bins up that end anyway so don't think it'll bother me. I hoping to lay a small piece of turf for the dogs up that end too.
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Nice idea!!!
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If you have the space you could just pile up all your big woody weeds such as brambles in one corner, and with any luck they will be colonised by useful wildlife such as hedgehogs. I have a pile on my plot where I throw all the weeds that can't be composted, and they usually shrivel up and die before they can continue growing. The pile tends to stay the same size as things rot down.
I wouldn't worry about weed seeds in your compost, as somebody has said already, you will always have weeds so just think of them as next year's compost. The hard thing as a beginner is recognising which weeds can be composted and which can't, but you will soon learn. If in doubt throw them on the 'pile'. If you haven't done so already, get a compost bin set up as a priority.
Stones can be used on paths, if you are having them.
finally, I think your comfrey will need a bit more room than it will have in the toilet!
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that's a good job there, very hard worker!! judging by the photo's your soil condition is very good and looks pretty soft. just give it a last rotivate and all looks good.
with regards to weeds, i have found out that if i put weeds expecially the dandelions in my green wheelie bin they tend to grow for some strange reason but i am guessing its the fact that the green is decomposing. i would personly throw the first lot away. unless you have something that generates a lot of raw heat and would kill them off for good.
With regards to stones, leave them in. stones are good at retaining heat which is what helps with seeds germinating or encourage the roots to grow further. bricks and other rubble i would get rid off.
with a plot that big i would get hold of old planks of wood used by scafholding people, erect them up length way and make a pathway in the middle made with wood chippings and split the plot into sections, that way you can easily reach sections of your plot to work or grow things without tramplng on other growth.
happy growing!
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If you have masses of stones, as I do, you can pick out all the small ones and use to make paths. Just lay some timber edging and fill in as you go.
Larger stones have endless uses. Mix cement and build.... containers, raised beds, bases for a seat and you can cement that glass in as well. Have fun. :D
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Good for you! It's hard work at the beginning but, all of a sudden, when you think you don't seem to be making any progress, you will go down there and - wow - it's looking good. I like your toilet with comfrey - I thought it was a "weed!" :lol: :lol: :lol:
Re- the bits of glass - you might find them easier to spot when the sun shines on them after rain which will bring them to the surface and be easier to see, I'd take some plasters and ointment down the lottie just in case.
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I'd take some plasters and ointment down the lottie just in case.
I'd also recommend you check your tetanus shot is uptodate - it's a risk on the lotty and if you are at risk of getting cuts on your hands then the (admittedly small) risk is increased.
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Thanks for all the replies. It's all really helpful.
I like the idea of having a pile of wood/brambles for wildlife to live in...I'm also thinking of sinking a small pond in the far corner to attract frogs to come and eat the slugs!
I've got hold of some wood chippings too so will be laying some paths once I've got more of the weeds up.
I've laid some more paving slabs (3'x2's 1.5" thick) which are REALLY heavy! But it makes a nice little patio by the shed for sitting out and drinking tea!
Ooh, and Yorkie...I'm up to date on tetanus...I've got a bit of a habit of cutting myself with saws etc whilst DIYing!
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