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Poultry and Pets => Pets without Feathers => Topic started by: Roughlee Handled on April 10, 2009, 19:24
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I got my pigs today. We did not have the electric fence turned on on the holding pen for them and one got straight out and then off. Down the feild this happened 3 times and I had to rugby tackle the weener to catch it. It now knows the fence is electric.
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NO NAMES.
THEY ARE JUST CALLED PIG.
My pigs are for eating. Not for RRRRing
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They are lovely :D
Have you lent them your pink bucket Ruff ;)
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8) nice piggies, you've probably told us already but it got lost amongst the aww's but what breed ?
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I bet they've got a name for you. Especially now they've read what you want to do to them :ohmy:
Lovely looking piggies Stu. Don't forget the suntan lotion (and the apple sauce ;)). :)
Rob 8)
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MMMMM bacon
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B acon and Ham already look really comfy in their new home. Look forward to reading about their 'exploits'
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Mmmmmm, sausages, ham, bacon and black pudding. Now what can you do with the oink?
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It'd make a good ringtone :unsure:
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Give it to a dog to chew :D
EDIT I was thinking nose not oink! Stupid me ??? ??? :wacko:
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Talking of pigs............I popped down to our local free range pork producer today and the topic of conversation was boy piggies' tackle. Apparently it's curly, like the tail. :ohmy: Now, I'm not sure if they were winding me up or not ::) Anyone know?
By the way, they're lovely. I couldn't raise one (a piglet) and eat it :tongue2:
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boy piggies bits are long and thin, and yes the very end is like a spiral! (corkscrew) ??? I worked on a pig stud farm for 4 years ::)
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lovely piggies ruff -ohh tummies rumbling :D
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loverly piggies roughlee! we had a barbie on sunday with some yummy pork bellies ;) and sausages! my tummy is rumbling :lol:they will have a great life with you and then you get to enjoy them all over again
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boy piggies bits are long and thin, and yes the very end is like a spiral! (corkscrew) ??? I worked on a pig stud farm for 4 years ::)
:blush: Oo - er!
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So when we all meating up for the barbeque????? :lol:
They are FAB lucky you...Keep us updated!
Just imagine how many eggs you would need for that sandwich ;)
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http://s329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/09%20first%20day/?action=view¤t=MVI_2925.flv (http://s329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/09%20first%20day/?action=view¤t=MVI_2925.flv)Video
If I am quiet its because we have people staying this weekend.
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It wont play!!!! it wont play!! Whats happened ??I'm being starved of pigletts here???
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awwwww! i know they are food but it dont stop them being cute at that age :wub:
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Good looking pigs too.
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Can't wait to meet you all.
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Healthy looking piggies Rough- I guess it's sensible not to name them if you want to eat 'em later.
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The pig that did not run round the feild 3 times and have me rugby tackle it to the ground will let me scratch its bacon. Its amazing how much they sleep. Suppose they do need beauty sleep. I must say I am a lot happier now than I was on Friday. I remember lieing on the ground with pig after the 3rd escape and the 7th rugby tackle both me and the pig where knackered. I had the pig in a tight embrace and we just lay there for five mins. I was not looking forward to the getting up and the staggering back with the pig. I was considering suckling pig.
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Forgot to mention scared myself silly the first morning as there was no sign of the pigs. You could not see them. They appeared not to be in the arc...............
But they where under all the straw. at the bottom. covered!!!!!
They have slightly pink ears.
I have provided shade for them and they even have a wallow (they have not found it yet.)
They are spending all there time rooting.
They are not even eating all there nuts!!!
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/09%20first%20day/1st%20week/IMG_3120.jpg)
The shade are some pallets made into a wall and rood you can see it above to the left of the arc.
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So are you gonna eat both come Sept or keep one to breed your own bacon from????? Dont even need a boar these days! we had a few locals come to our stud for just a couple of doses of AI, some boar pheremone spray and your well away!
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We do not have anywhere to keep them in the winter. So they are off to slaughter.
http://s329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/09%20first%20day/1st%20week/?action=view¤t=MVI_2957.flv (http://s329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/09%20first%20day/1st%20week/?action=view¤t=MVI_2957.flv)
Sorry Aunty at the late reply. Its not my pick bucket honest. :wub:
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So are you gonna eat both come Sept or keep one to breed your own bacon from????? Dont even need a boar these days! we had a few locals come to our stud for just a couple of doses of AI, some boar pheremone spray and your well away!
Hmmm. I think I could manage that. Keep a lady pig, have piglets and sell them on to people.
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Reading your updates with interest, Roughlee, even though I'm a softie! Don't tell me when you send them away........... :(
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One is getting very friendly.
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Er I am trying to stop it. (the liking the porkers)
This video started off so well until I commented about its trotters. I might as well as said "cooochycooooo little piggy"
OK I know that I have to get the pigs to like me. Just in case I have to get them to the vet and stuff. Oh the one that I had to Rugby tackle to the ground 3 times when it escaped 3 times still does not trust me.
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I am glad I said massaging the bacon and not pork!!!!!!
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you could have got Julie to vid you playing rugby with the piggy! honestly! some people are so selfish...........................
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Do you mean " Me Julie " "my Wife" Kate?
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I am so jealous cant wait for the day I can rear some piggies
good luck enjoy them .
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sorry, meant Kate, but there are quite a few Kates and Julies on here it's easy to get muddled, there's only one me tho...................
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How can you not get 'friendly' and 'attached' to them? I know I couldn't.
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Baaaaaaaaaaconnn...
Nice pigs Stu, you lucky son'of'a.
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lovely vids roughlee! tookm the kiddies to a farm park in downham market today and saw loadsa piggies :D also my 7 year old and me saw a lamb born! up close! she was soooooo chufffed! :happy:
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Yes that is good I remember at when I saw my first lamb born at 23 years old.
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I've been so excited about your pigs, just dreaming about when I can do the same thing (will be a few years before I can think about it).
Think you might have just thrown a great big spanner in the works with that video. They are so adorable, I'd be in grave danger of falling in love with them. How could you kill something that rolls over to have it's tummy scratched?
But then again...
Mmmmmmmmmmmmm...
...bacon...
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I've been so excited about your pigs, just dreaming about when I can do the same thing (will be a few years before I can think about it).
Think you might have just thrown a great big spanner in the works with that video. They are so adorable, I'd be in grave danger of falling in love with them. How could you kill something that rolls over to have it's tummy scratched?
But then again...
Mmmmmmmmmmmmm...
...bacon...
:lol: thats pork belly thats being tickled :lol: soooo yummy!
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Once they get a little size on them they do much better through the winter then they do the summer. They do however put on weight a tad slower but not much.
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Once they get a little size on them they do much better through the winter then they do the summer. They do however put on weight a tad slower but not much.
I can not over winter here. So September they are off.
They are not eating all they should as they are to busy doing pig things!!!!!!
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:ohmy:
Roughlee, that video just makes it worse. That would be like eating your dog!!!!
I reckon I'd end up a veggie :blink: :blink:
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Stu, what are 'pig things', thought that was eating and rolling around in muddy puddles!
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Stu, what are 'pig things', thought that was eating and rolling around in muddy puddles!
that's normal pig things, Stuarts pigs like to play rugby............................
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I think they just want me to wrestle them to the ground.
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I found this on the BBC website.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7998780.stm
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Have you been practising your piggy speak then, Roughlee? :lol:
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Oink
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as no one looking at my other topic ??? here is pics of our farm visit :D
(http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr184/chickenlady03/pig1.jpg)
the one on the far left looks like he's smiling :lol:
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Waiting for pics of your girlies Roughlee!
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Love the photos. It was too cold to take photos this evening and the pigs spend most of there time asleep!!! I will try and get some more photos this weekend.
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I just watched the film snatch.
"Beware of any man who has a pigsty" - hard as nails gangster :D
Roughlee obviously is planning to kill somebody and have the pigs get rid of the evidence :D
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Don't say things like that!
Some of us are going to visit.
I thought we were getting cake!
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Yes it a special cake. MOOoooWAAAAAhhhhhaaHa Ha ha hhhharrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: me no like cakey, me glad me lives here :unsure: good luck you lot :lol: :lol: :tongue2:
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I can send some!!!! 8)
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???erm, No thanks, I would hate to deprive the rest of the crew :nowink:
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lol@FCG, I was watching Snatch the other day (one of my fave films) and I said exactly the same. OH is now unsure about visiting the pigs :D
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When is the party organised for? I'll come with you Kate if Stu will have me :D
I'll even bring pork chops, bacon and pork scratchings for the BBQ.
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tis this sunday Mike, (if Ive got that right Stuart and Kate?)..at least I hope it is, because Im going to be very hungover the weekend after (expensive clarets sportsmans dinner on the saturday night, Im taking FULL advantage ;) )
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Yup it this weekend. Anyone welcome even FCG in his weekend wear. Off now to apply factor 30 to there ears as they got very burnt yesterday.
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So this morning I have applied Factor 30 to there ears.
They have shade.
They have an area of wet mud to wallow in but they do not want to wallow.
Its not Hot Hot, just very sunny so they do not know they are getting burnt.
The wife is getting some total block today. If they are bad tonight I will attempt to get them into the barn tomorrow in the day. This will not be an easy task as they are easy distracted and I cant lift them now 1 week and the have got heavy!!!
Any sensible ideas?
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Have you got yourself a pig board and stick Roughlee!? steer them in with one of you in front with food? sure you already tried this but cant think of anything else other than little sun hats??? ;)
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I have thought about it but not attempted it yet. Still worried about chasing them about like on there first day. If they are bad tonight will deffo attempt to do it tomorrow.
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You could try rubbing some wet mud on their ears etc too! give them the idea what its for!
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I did think about that sounds silly though but does make sence. They are not out all day as they are still young and spend allot of time asleep.
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See if you can get some sun tan lotion with a herb scent. That way they will be ready marinated. Seriously though, the poor things burn just like we do, going to have to watch out for that with the Tamworths.
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They plaster mud onto rhinos and elephants in zoos too cause it not only protects them from the sun but keeps the skin soft and cool.
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I will try mud tonight and see what happens.
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can we have pics please roughlee!? you did say we could have more pics at the weekend :tongue2:
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Yes I will try but lost my camera on the way home yesterday. ER think it was dipped when I stopped off at a plant shop. I was very tired and not sure if I locked the car!!!!!!
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OOpppsss Sorry! :unsure: We will be patient then ???
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Oh sweet little weaners! Can't help thinking about Charlotte's Web though. That said, pass the bacon! :D
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If they are bad tonight I will attempt to get them into the barn tomorrow in the day. This will not be an easy task as they are easy distracted and I can't lift them now 1 week and the have got heavy!!!
Any sensible ideas?
Give them names.......be nice to them.......and perhaps they'll follow you into the barn. :tongue2:
If we can't have photos, can we have a video of you trying to catch them? :lol:
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ER NO and NO, No and NO
do I make my self clear?
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OK may be one small photoy then.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
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:D :lol: :D
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Is there not a pig equivalent to the shading I put on m y horses? I think you put up a pic before? (Picture puttting up is now evading me). You know over the ears and tassles hanging down over the eyes?
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I think you may have to stick to the mud and sunblock method.
It would be nice if they went under shade when they started going crispy. MMMMMMMM pork scratchings. (sorry)
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http://s329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/week%202/?albumview=slideshow
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Love the pics and looks like the mud will be working as a sunblock.
Looking forward to meeting you all in a fortnight.
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they look as happy as pigs in muck Roughlee! did they enjoy the mud rub? women pay hundreds of pounds for that kind of spa treatment! :D
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they look as happy as pigs in muck Roughlee! did they enjoy the mud rub? women pay hundreds of pounds for that kind of spa treatment! :D
Thats £200 for any women that want it.
Pigs are free.
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Well I have been to my local small Europe wide convenience store and asked if I could have any old fruit or veg. They will be saving it for me and keeping it in the chiller!!!! I came away with on big bag of fruit and Veg !!!! Photos to come!
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Well where are these photos then?
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they look as happy as pigs in muck Roughlee! did they enjoy the mud rub? women pay hundreds of pounds for that kind of spa treatment! :D
Thats £200 for any women that want it.
Pigs are free.
:lol: :lol: :lol: ??? dont know what to say to that :lol:
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A spa treatment and pigs for free!
I'll be up this weekend!
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Sorry busy but here are the spoils (Do not tell the pigs but I gave 3 apples to the horses)
Loads of potatoes
3 packs of Grapes
Apples
and 3 Kiwi fruit!!
Plus they are going to keep the fruit and veg for me (pigs do not like citrus fruit goes straight through them)
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Cripes, they look happy with their lot :D
How long do you expect the grass to last?
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I am not bothered about the grass and I really do no know.
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Hopefully they won't start tearing up the turf. No joke you need heavy equipment to cover the ruts made by a hog! I had to use a blade behind a tractor to level the lot back out and there were places that I almost got high centered with the Kubota!
But the ground sure is fertile now and will grow most anything.
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They started rooting on day one. I knew they would so I am prepared Honest.
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The local shop donated more out of date food.
MMmm Looks like a pork stir fry.
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/Week%203/24042009178.jpg)
Can you see the ears. They are looking better but the black stuff is scabs from sunburn. I am pleased it is raining as it will give the ear time to heal.
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Have you had your pig-flu shot yet Stu ? :ohmy:
Or is the daily Mail being alarmist again ? ::)
I'm sat in my oxygen tent just in case it's transmitted by forum. :unsure:
Rob 8)
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Must admit as soon as i saw the news last night i thought of roughlee's girls straight away! ???
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I have (sniff) heard of (chough) swine flu. Not worried about it so far as it will only affect humans (what ever they are).
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I have (sniff) heard of (chough) swine flu. Not worried about it so far as it will only affect humans (what ever they are).
:lol: I think most of us are safe then. :D
As long as your pigs wear face masks while they travel on public transport they'll be fine. ::)
Rob 8)
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And proper masks when they come to visit me :ohmy: :D
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Now we know what treats to bring when we visit everyone :D Will Little Lad be able to feed them Stuart?
(and we'll bring apples for the horse)
PS Dont forget he doesnt know the Fox got Birdo!
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Yes little lad can feed them. They are friendly, though do lean against and rub you if you stand still to long, also will try and taste unknown footwear and clothing. Horses will love apples. So will pigs. I quarter them as they go further ( the apples not the animals).
Did I not tell you that Birdo and friends have moved out while there new accommodation is being built.
The chicks will take his mind off Birdo, they are supposed to be hatching today and tomorrow. So they will be really small plus have the ones that hatched on the 25th of March. So plenty to distract him.
Not forgetting the two dogs.
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Cheers hun, I'll tell him that she is staying at a chicken hotel :D
Yay chicks! He will be over the moon at those, i will have to warn about curious little fingers :D
And we will watch the parking of the van before we squash your furry friend :D
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You mean FCG?
And we will watch the parking of the van before we squash your furry friend :D
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oops better keep an eye out for furry Mikes too :D
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Mike'll be running round like an excited puppy :D
ROb 8)
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I will have to watch him then...thats not the day to practise my driving :D :D
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You may remember this photo
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This is them now
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(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/Week%204/06052009231.jpg)
They are getting big 27" ish long wow.
Still getting out of date veg from the local corner shop. They had grapes again last night, but preffer there hard feed or think its called proven? in pig speak.
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Flipping heck Rough - growing quick indeed. What is their full weight?
Very very jealous of the seemingly large amount of land you have there. Lucky bug.... :D
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I have no idea what there weight is at the moment.
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This morning I had a lie in so the pigs where not fed till 08:00 rather than at 06:30 I could not find them in there Ark. But found them sunning themselves in the summer house. I had to apply the factor 40 and they did not budge.
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Awww cutie bacon butties :D
Rough they look like they've doubled in size since
This is them now
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/Week%204/06052009232.jpg)
:ohmy:
Bless Hp & Ketchup 8)
Sarah :)
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This morning I had a lie in so the pigs where not fed till 08:00 rather than at 06:30 I could not find them in there Ark. But found them sunning themselves in the summer house. I had to apply the factor 40 and they did not budge.
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/Week%205/09052009241.jpg)
I do hope you gave them tummys a scratch! :happy:
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Can't wait till the morning! Also i won't be running around like a puppy Rob. Missed that :D.
I'm only furry at full moon, so you should be aright Stu.
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Pigs are possibly my favorite animals. I regularly go and see them at the Essington fruit farm near to where I live just to give them a bit of fuss before they turn into chops. So I am going to give yours an aahhh and some xxx (kisses) because the poor little loves dont know whats coming to them.
That said im havin a bacon sarnie in a mo ! :D
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Happy as pigs in muck :)
Hope everyone has a good time up there. When are they arriving ?
Rob 8)
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We arrived at erm... i forget now and then Peapod+ arrived. Merry fun was had by all (including the pigs). Stu is definitely going to be dead soon however :D
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Oh the shed saga continues.
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Roughlee, before the shed war commences I wondered if you could help me out with a little bit of info about rearing pigs?
We are in talks with some other plot holders about getting some pigs as a "pig club" like they had during the war. I wondered if you had any idea of the costs ie. feed and slaughterhouse costs, butchery etc. in relation to the meat produced. I'm not too worried as it is the quality of the meat and welfare that I'm most concerned about but it would be nice to have a guide for other "pig club" members. Loving the photos. Cheers, Nic.
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I am looked at these costs.
http://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/articles/pigs/costs/
Item Unit cost No. Total
Tamworth weaners £35.00 2 £70.00
Feed £7.25 38 £275.50
Straw £2.50 4 £10.00
Slaughter £23.00 2 £46.00
Butchery £20 3 £60.00
Total £461.50
The feed I am giving them is £8.50 its not organic or anything special. It sounds allot but then you work out thats approx 50 kilos of meat per porker. You will not get bacon off them as they need to be over a year old. Pigs I must say are simpler that chickens.
This is my first time so I am still estimating.
I did have a thought the other day in the shower that pigs would be good at clearing allotments either unused an over grown or cleaning out after a growing season as they turn over the soil and fertilise it as well!!!!! You could hire out your porkers. I must say that my best idea so far was asking my local corner shop for all there out of date veg, was excellent as I had 6 bags of "waste" (just from Saturday) and it filled there stomachs good and proper.
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That is brilliant, thanks for that! Just to give us an idea, you are doing so well with yours. The fruit and veg must be so good for them too. The bit of ground we have in mind was a plot years ago but has become very overgrown so it would be perfect for them. We have spoken to about half of the plotholders so far and they are in favour so wish us luck with the others! I got so excited yesterday that I made myself feel ill - how sad. Thanks again for all the info, I had a feeling you would have done the number crunching.... Nic.
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One major issue is do you or your allotment have a defra holding number? You will need one before anyone can sell you a pig. How big a space do you have? I am keeping mine of a 1/4 of an acre at the moment. I can still see grass !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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How big a space do you have? I am keeping mine of a 1/4 of an acre at the moment. I can still see grass !!!!!!!!!!!!!
You won't be able to when you've got two black eyes! :lol:
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Hi, our allotments are really old and in the past had all sorts of animals but I didn't know about the defra number - I suppose that's our next step after getting the go-ahead.
I am friends with a pig vet so can find out what to do. We aren't rushing into it and it will be a long term thing, so hearing how you are doing is really useful. Thanks again, Nic.
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After our pigs were on about 2 acres for a little over a year it looked like giant moles had attacked the lot and I worked a tractor and box blade for close to a week steady to get the ground back level. But the hogs dug out all of the Johnson Grass roots and killed it off and I was left with soil that grew plants that were a rich dark green.
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Stuart , I must say I hate you!!! I want pigs but no land :( They look realy good, will keep an eye on them.
Keep up the good work.
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How many pigs did you have on two acres nnbreeder? I am only keeping these porkers for 6 may be 7 months. Mainly because it gets very very wet up here and it would not be a happy life for them. Last time it rained all day they did not come out of there ark (pig home) only for food. I am thinking about may be planting some root or veg for next years pair this autumn an you never know I may get to eat something. At the moment I have 1/2 acre (not rubbing you nose in it honest Knight Family) split into two and when they muck up this 1/4 of an acre I am going to move them into the next. After 5 weeks it looks like they may stay on the first 1/4 for the whole length of time. I have a small area of native rhizome reproducing grass, similar slightly to Johnson Grass, its a common pointer ill drained soil and is a member of the Juncus family. Anyway they love rooting in there but are not eating the rhizomes :(
Next year I will be looking at getting a darker skinned breed as I have to keep an eye on the weather forecast and apply factor 40 to there ears on sunny days. They as yet do not like water being splashed on them or like wallowing in mud!!!!!!
nicchick or anyone else that is considering pigs I keep mine surrounded but an 3 wire 60cm electric fence run by a 12v battery and so far they have complete respect for the fence.
http://www.rutland-electric-fencing.co.uk/PageAnimalSwine.aspx
The only other thing I would say is pigs need shade but whether they will feel the need to use it is another matter.
Knight Family have you considered approaching someone in your area that has land may be wooded and you could rent it and use pork as a payment?
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well were going to be moving down south (enforced with work) so looking for a good place weith a bit of land. Have found a house that looks like it backs on to un sured grass land so may well be able to purchase. (I hope then its Pigs and more chickens!!!)
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The only problem with pigs is they are so funny to watch. I would say they are like edible dogs. If that makes sence?
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The only problem with pigs is they are so funny to watch. I would say they are like edible dogs. If that makes sence?
Are you beginning to get attached? ;)
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I will miss the twice daily pig chores. But not really. They are a fun animal to watch. A bit like watching spring lambs, more fun that cows and sheep.
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We had 1 Boar and four sows.
Really? they don't like getting wet? Ours would root out big gaping holes when it rained and often all that could be seen was their snout above water, oh and their ears, pigs do hate getting their ears wet. Through the summer I ran misters in the barn 24/7 as our summers can be quite hot for long periods. It's nothing to have up to 30 days straight of temps above 100 deg F
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No chance (i hope) about the temp getting that high for that length of time. These two are not really in to digging big holes YET but there is time.
They spend most of there time asleep in the shade area and have told me that they wanted there bedding replace in the pig arch (house) by not sleeping in there for a couple of days. Down one of our fence lines we have been putting our horses inedible hay and they have been found sleeping our in that!!!!!!!
Your boar nnbreeder did he taste different to you sows? I have been told that the male testosterone hormone can taint the meat.
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Down on of out fence lines we have been putting our horse in edible hay and they where found sleeping our in that!!!!
bit early in the morning for you Ruff? :lol:
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Talk gobbledegook I do.
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you know they said on here that if you look at the first and last letter of a word you brain automatically fills in the gaps? doesn't work with you :D
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OK it solhud mkae sesne now.
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OK it solhud mkae sesne now.
Oh hells, Stu's now speaking in tounges.
TMG, what have you done? He's just going to make a lot of unintelligible and unreadable posts now....
...wait a second... :D (I kid, i kid)
How often do you replace the bedding? How is the potato toss going?
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About once a month I wash the silk sheets and re plump the pillows. I also add a extra half a bale of straw.
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I have been to see the lady that I got the pigs off of (I am incubating some of her eggs as a favour) anywho I mentioned that one (pig) has really bad flaky skin. (Kate and her ducks) even mentioned it!!
"Do you use pig oil?"Said Caroline
"PIG OIL" I said "Your pulling my todger arnt you."
"No" Said Caroline "I oiled up me boar and me sow yesterday. Do you want some?"
"Oil?" I said "Yes Please"
"Its like baby oil but with out the smell" Said Caroline.
So I have been out and oiled me porkers today they loves it.
(http://www.morganhorse.co.uk/images/Pig-Oil-Trilanco-5.jpg)
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I use olive oil on my crackling! ;)
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Think if I were one of his pigs I would be severely traumatised by this development. :ohmy:
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Think if I were one of his pigs I would be severely traumatised by this development. :ohmy:
NO they realy love it. Rolled over 180 so I got both sides.
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Just as long as you didn't score the skin. 8)
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I will be leaving that till later. Prob september!!! :ohmy:
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These pigs are living the life of luxury. 1/2 an acre with stunning views, mud packs and now massages with oil....
Some people would pay for that!
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Ruff's runnning a spa for pigs!
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Any pigs welcome. ???
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I will have to get those chairs out for them so they can sit and eat breakfast.
Lazy pigs.
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/01062009280.jpg)
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/01062009279.jpg)
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and don't forget the napkins :lol: :lol:
Great piccies :)
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don't mix up your pig oil with your baby oil Ruffle, we wouldn't want Kate to crackle! and that's just asuming she gets as spoilt as the pigs............................
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I am just looking after me roast.
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i am going to laugh my socks off if, when d day comes you find your unable to eat them, it has happened..................
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Yes I know. I do tell people that I have not done the deed yet. But when they come back vacuum packed I hope I will be able to eat them or it will be a waste. I bet they will taste really good as well.
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have a bbq, we'll all come and help you scoff them........................
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i'll bring the apple sauce................
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Ph the little darlings, how are you ever going to eat them? Give them a 'tickle on their tums' for me please.
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ok will do.
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...........Give them a 'tickle on their tums' for me please.
I forgot to put sun screen on there ears till Saturday and they are a tad sore. Bless.
Just for wighty.
remember this 9.5 weeks ago?
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/th_14042009015.jpg) (http://s329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/?action=view¤t=14042009015.flv)
Well now its this after 9.5 weeks later
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/th_13062009028.jpg) (http://s329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/?action=view¤t=13062009028.flv)
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Have you forgotten about our piggy updates Mr Ruff? :D As i wont be visiting in the next few weeks (though Im going to try) I need more snorter action ;)
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wonderful Ruff, how long is now before they erm....are vacuum packed? :D
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They are getting big and enjoying life.
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/week%2011/IMG_0935.jpg)
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/week%2011/IMG_0946.jpg)
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/week%2011/IMG_1015.jpg)
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/week%2011/IMG_1023.jpg)
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/week%2011/IMG_1025.jpg)
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/week%2011/IMG_1029.jpg)
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Wow, quite some porkers :D
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wonderful Ruff, how long is now before they erm....are vacuum packed? :D
They may be. er I am not sure yet. I have a choice of two butchers.....
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Wow, quite some porkers :D
They are getting big. Another two and a bit months to go.
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Ruff honey, Im so sorry to say it but they are gorgeous! Child chasers have never been so much fun :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ill come over and visit at end of August if thats ok with you and Kate? You can take me to the pub after and celebrate my distinction pass with me :lol:
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I look forward to it. :)
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Fantastic shots Rough, last one is brill :D
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Fantastic shots Rough, last one is brill :D
Thanks Sarah
Its my fav as well.
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They look great Roughlee! love the last pic, the one at the back looks sort of melancholy! :lol: just a pity for them that they taste so yummy!
Debbie
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I know I try not to take to many photos as I do not want to get attached. But I had a special request.
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I am looked at these costs.
Feed £7.25 38 £275.50
It sounds allot but then you work out thats approx 50 kilos of meat per porker. You will not get bacon off them as they need to be over a year old.
Sorry this quote is from way back on the thread, but just to let you know, we DID get bacon from our 7 month old pigs.
We had half the back as loin joint and 1/2 as 'middle' bacon. This was from a large white cross Glouchestershire old spot.
As for food costs, it cost us £70 to feed 1 pig up to 7 1/2 months old, (£6.60 per bag).
I am really sorry to say this Roughlee but on your last pic your porkers were looking distinctly porky! hope you don't get more fat than meat. :)
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Well they is pigs. They have another 3 months ish to go. Fingers crossed they may have burnt the fat off by then. I have read that you cant get bacon off pigs under a year old, hence the term "porkers". As this is my first time of .... doing it alone. Keeping pigs that is I am doing it by the book and feed bag. I do agree they look slighty fatty around the face but as I know nothing about the breed or pigs just hope I am doing it correctly. Fingers crossed. :D
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It all a bit of a mystery the 1st time, I know. We read a lot and thought that the pigs had to be much bigger for bacon too. From our 1st pig we had half with all pork for a 'customer' and from the other half we had pork from 1/2 the loin, bacon from the rest. Sausage from the shoulder, (about 20lb) and ham joints and gammon steaks from the leg. Very versatile animals!
Our butcher was a great source of information, helped us out a lot.
what breed are yours? Dual purpose?
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They are Gloucester old spot crossed with Middle White. But they look more like there mum (a Middle White) as I did not want any distinguishing marks for my first two.
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I think you could get some bacon from them then without having to wait a year.
I can understand why you don't want 'distinguishing marks' but we did name our first 4 pigs. (and the current 5 ) Janice was the 1st to go, (named after Janice Battersby cos she was bossy and noisy). Must admit it's not nice taking them to slaughter, but it's part of being a pig keeper and has to be done. They have at least had a much better life than the vast majority of pigs. :)
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In a lot of ways, you just cant help getting attached, they are so much fun to play with and watch. I think you keep your head about it Ruff, and have handled it very well, and will do when they go,
Just my two pennorth :D
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They have at least had a much better life than the vast majority of pigs. :)
That is very true.
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....... and have handled it very well, and will do when they go,
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Lets hope.
I wear my heart on my shirt. I know I will probably ball me eyes out when I take em. But lets hope they taste nice. (oh and I can eat em!!!!!!!!)
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I just tried not to think about it too much. I put it out of my mind before the day and on the day just looked at it as a job to do, load them, un-load them etc... My OH went too and as we left the abbatoir he asked why I hadn't 'said goodbye,' to them. Simple..... I couldn't. From that moment on they became pork and we also had the borrowed sow who had just had a litter of 12 to keep our minds occupied.
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Hi There,
Just wondering if you still have your pigs? Reason being I have just got 2 pigs and they are 13 weeks old, this is my first time doing it and I am not sure how long to keep them for and what weight I should be aiming for. They are a Saddleback cross with a Duroc. Like you they are for the freezer....
Thanks
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Hello and welcome to the mad house CharFlor. Yes I still have my pigs. It is now week 13 (that I have had them) and they are 22 weeks old.
I am in the same boat as you they are looking big (my pigs), but are they are at slaughter weight? I have no clue sorry. All that is in the pigs favour is I have to purchase a trailer so they can go to slaughter and that will not happen till September. But the lady who breed them is coming over in 3 weeks to pick up some chickens I have incubated for her. Sorry I can not be any help.
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as pig scales are not readily available we did it by measurement. Got this from a book, 'teach yourself keeping pigs' by Tony York.
Measure, in inches (easiest while they are eating)
length from middle of ears to root of tail
girth around shoulders tight up to front legs
multiply length by girth and divide by 12 if lean, 11 if meduim and 10 if fat. The answer is in lbs.
we found it best to send ours for slaughter when they weighed 170 lb (40 x 47 / 11)
This gave a good sized carcass with plenty of meat. (we had pork and bacon from it)
It took 1 of our pigs 6 months to get to this size and the other three took 71/2 months.
if you want all bacon and cured meat then you could let them get bigger. any smaller and the meat isn't as plentiful.
Hope this helps :)
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I have purchased the book 'teach yourself keeping pigs' by Tony York
And I am going to measure my pigs tonight.
mmmm "easiest while they are eating" mine tend to eat lying down. So its going to be fun.
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Hello we're your near neighbours here in Roughlee, Ellie, Elspeth and Enid. The Roughlee Mangalitza Girls.
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Firstly welcome to the Mad house Therealcalzone.
Wow where are you in Roughlee?
Love the photos.
Amazing breed of pigs.
http://www.mangalitza.co.uk/
How old are they?
Pet or Pot?
:D
Sorry but found this photo
(http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mangalitza/IMG_0125.jpg)
I think there is a pig under all that.
Looks like a cross between a wolf hound and a Shetland pony.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5229544/Furry-pig-sells-for-250-at-swine-auction.html
Now I am really interested. Tell me more more more.
Sorry a tad excited.
:D
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To breed from, these Roughlee Mangalitza Girls are not for the pot.
But some of the future Mangaliza piggies will be.
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wow what pretty piggies :D, bet Kermit would prefer these to his miss piggy anyday :lol:
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I can't see sunburn being a problem for those hairy beasties! They might need shearing though :lol:
Lovely old breed, very unusual.
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Measure, in inches (easiest while they are eating)
length from middle of ears to root of tail
girth around shoulders tight up to front legs
multiply length by girth and divide by 12 if lean, 11 if meduim and 10 if fat. The answer is in lbs.
we found it best to send ours for slaughter when they weighed 170 lb (40 x 47 / 11)
This gave a good sized carcass with plenty of meat. (we had pork and bacon from it)
It took 1 of our pigs 6 months to get to this size and the other three took 71/2 months.
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In that case at 22 weeks ish or 5 and a half months my two are 187lbs and 167lbs or in new money 85Kgs and 76Kgs. I think they may be ready.
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I think a phone call to the slaughter house may be in order! :ohmy:
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BBQ time at Ruff's!!! :tongue2:
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I am going to keep them till at the latest September.
I have a couple of issues
1. No trailer (yet)
2. No room in the Freezer. (We have to purchase the freezer)
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We bought a second hand horse box to transport ours. livestock trailers are so expensive and second hand ones are few and far between. The horse box does the same job.
We are looking for a new freezer too, for more pork eventually and for the hubbards, I am a member of 'Which' magazine and in their latest tests on chest freezers the fridgidaire ones came out good
The picture shows pork joints from 1/2 a pig to give you an idea of amounts. You can see the tv remote for a bit of perspective
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I am going to keep them till at the latest September.
I have a couple of issues
1. No trailer (yet)
2. No room in the Freezer. (We have to purchase the freezer)
i wonder what excuse you'll find in september for not getting rid of Pinky and Perky :wub:
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I am going to keep them till at the latest September.
I have a couple of issues
1. No trailer (yet)
2. No room in the Freezer. (We have to purchase the freezer)
i wonder what excuse you'll find in september for not getting rid of Pinky and Perky :wub:
1. no petrol/diesel
2. still got a sack of feed left
3. don't want us lot up for the bar-b-q :lol: :lol:
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I agree with point 3 :tongue2:
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can't say I blame you :lol: :lol:
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well, i feel very insulted :tongue2:
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W ever :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2:
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Ruff - when you take them on the last journey, pack an onion and a penknife. Then you can start peeling it when you get there to have a manly excuse for tears :wub:
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Very good idea. I am looking for a large onion now. mmmm May be a prize winning one.
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Ill drop you one off in August ;)
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Send me some too! My onions and garlic has been really disappointing this year after a duck break in that they never really recovered from. And last year my garlic was huge, still got some of it left and it is still good.
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They wont be prize winning! But ill be happy to send out a couple :D
OR!
You could always drive over and come to the pub for my celebrations and I could give you onions AND chillies from your plants :D
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Well I still think that we should get together for a joint birthday drink or something.
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I do too, depends when I pass my test if I can drive to you though. Or we can do both :D
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Peapod, when are you proposing to take your test? Failed mine first time... still havn't taken my second.
How're your Pigs getting on Rough?
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All the best people pass second time!
And how are the pigs. Think it's time for another photo update.
how are your bees getting on? I had a lovely time with my Mum's yesterday. Managed to make them a bit cross by blowing on them to try and make them move. Just seems wrong to try and brush them out of the way but they seem to prefer it!
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I passed both car and motorcycle first time but hgv 2nd so does that make me the best as well (at least as far as driving lorries :D)?
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Im in no hurry, i will NOT take it before I feel in myself Im ready, but in all honesty Ill take as many as I need to. If it takes me 56 times Ill keep trying :D But hopefully my first will be towards the end of the year
RUFF!!!! PICS!!!!! (please :wub:)
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THere asleep.
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Not seen your piggies for a while :dry: you've not eaten them already have you roughlee??? :ohmy:
Debbie
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Not seen your piggies for a while :dry: you've not eaten them already have you roughlee??? :ohmy:
Debbie
The freezer arrives on Friday.
If I ate them up already I would be a right porker!!!
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Boom Boom! ::)
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hiya,gathered from some of your posts piggies getting a bit on the large size.are you going for pork or bacon?
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Anything at the moment. They have grown bigger than expected. I think I may get some bacon and 3 hams and ..... mmmmm foood. Lots of pork.
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Mmmm,just a suggestion,dont leave them too long or you'll get more fat.
we all get fond of our garden friends but don't forget why you have them.fooooood,if you were a bit more local would be happy to come and help you butcher them.but you's a long long way
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I'll come up with you poppie, you butcher em and I'll cook em (we can all then eat em) :D
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Mmmn Stu, can i order some Baaaaacon...
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I'll come up with you poppie, you butcher em and I'll cook em (we can all then eat em) :D
poor chap,by the time everyone finished he'll only have the oink left?
thats if he's lucky. ::)
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no his piggies are big and still growing (or at least they was in the last set of photographs). More piccies Stuart Please :D
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Sorry I have family staying at the moment so busy with them, plus last nights my time was with the bees. Photos coming soon honest.
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Just a few photos.
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/weeek%2015/IMG_1894.jpg)
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/weeek%2015/IMG_1880.jpg)
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/weeek%2015/IMG_1892.jpg)
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/weeek%2015/IMG_1895.jpg)
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Looks like they have got the hang of mud. :tongue2:
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ahhhh, i know your not supposed to get all sentimental,but they are lovely....is there not a useful job they could do so you could justify keeping them?..... lol...O.M.G i need to toughen up :(
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Will you stop posting these pictures .. I may never eat bee ay see oh en again ???
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I know what you mean.
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not going soft are you ruff? :lol:
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oink
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maybe they could wash the pots everyday.......surely that would be a help.......i hear they are good at digging the garden over? i mean thas backbreaking work......surely that would be helpfu :D
you could teach them to be sheep pigs like babe in the movie.......
im sre you could justify keeping them ;)
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Just keep thinking of roast pork n crackling, boiled ham, bacon, gamon, chops etc. :D
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just think, the pigs have had nothing but good days since they were born, mud wallows, sunshine, good food etc etc, then they have 1 bad day, then you have the best pork you've ever tasted safe in the knowledge that they were happy pigs. :)
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just think, the pigs have had nothing but good days since they were born, mud wallows, sunshine, good food etc etc, then they have 1 bad day, then you have the best pork you've ever tasted safe in the knowledge that they were happy pigs. :)
That's so true.
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..........they have 1 bad day...........
Where they are going is a small butchers with an abattoir round the back. Its been recommended to me by two people. You ring for a time. Pigs go in the trailer have a bit feed, sleep all the way there and then get out in a small yard with lots of new smells. Good fun up to now. The only bit that may distress is when (I am imagining) the get separated for a couple a min or two. Stunned and that it. Feeling a bit sad typing it. But I knew I would. Its gonna be more stressful for me.
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sounds like a nice small set up, less stress for the pigs. :)
Still, not easy, but they won't have long to worry about it.
Don't over do the feed as you load them and try to make sure they've had nothing that morning, the slaughter men have an easier job and much prefer it if the pigs have an empty stomach.
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They will not need much food to get them in the trailer. They will do anything for food. (I hope).
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Without a doubt :D
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it does sound like a really good setup...... im a vegetarian, but only because of the way animals are kept and slaughted. your pig look like they have had the life of luxury, lived the ways pigs are supposed to live, and not stressed by long cramped journeys to the slaughterhouse. we are hoping to buy a smallholding in a few years and i would like to keep animals the way they should be kept but still use them for meat.....i was just teasing.....but i know its still gonna be hard for you ;) my hubby's fav meal is a bacon butty...he's already saying he's going off bacon and we dont even have pigs yet! he he he
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we celebrated with one of our pigs,huge hog roast and loads of friends and neighbours,they had to fetch their own beers and a little bit of something for the freezer in exchange for a wonderful day.
the other went in the freezer,its very suprising what people fetch.i'd never had lobster before.and at that price probably never again.
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Its been five weeks since my last post. Sorry.
It is now Week 20.
Any who. The lady I got the pigs from came to see them on Sunday. Her batch from the same litter went last week so mine are not that far behind. Mine are outdoor kept so take longer to mature. I do not believe they have grow much in the past month. But I am going to try and make time to measure them tonight.
I have purchased a trailer (ebay) and pick it up on Saturday. Freezer is installed and on. So next week I have to book them into the abattoir. I have to work out what to have. The wife wants to swap a half pig for a whole lamb. But what to do with the rest? Definitely hams but the rest I am not sure. I am going to see if I can have a chat with the butcher and ask him.
I also have to decide if I am going to watch the deed at the abattoir, and wait for the blood for black puds.
Some photos taken this morning at 06:50am
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/week%2020/25082009424.jpg)
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/week%2020/25082009428.jpg)
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/week%2020/25082009430.jpg)
Edit: was to add about the black puds.
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Oh, Roughlee, I am sitting here getting upset over a couple of piggy pictures :(
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I know what you mean. Look good enough to eat don't they.
On a serious note, looking at the photos once I have taken then they do look cute and nice. But they are rapidly out growing there shelter and it is not nice here in the winter. If I do not do it they will go to market and some one else will. I like my pork and at least I know that these girls have had the best lives if not short (not as short as supermarket pork). I do not want to turn veggie.
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looks like you've done a great job with them! Happy piggies. :)
When we decided on cuts from ours I just thought of what I usually bought most of, sausages, chops, occasional joint, ham...whatever.
Ours are about 1 month from slaughter, good job, we are getting low on sausage. It's a good job it hasn't been a BBQ summer or we would have had to buy some and I can't bear the thought of that.
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:( Aw....I suppose you're right.....still wouldn't be able to do it though - you are a brave lad :tongue2:
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Good for you mate, they look great and I'm sure you'll have some great dinners. I wouldn't fancy seeing how the pork I eat is reared and slaughtered. I think you've done a grand job.
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We unloaded ours and left, but it is a big slaughter house and I don't think we would have been allowed to watch if we had wanted. The smell when you arrive might put you off! :tongue2:
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Barbecue summer. I was stood out side in the poring rain on Sunday, Barbecuing it took 4 hands to light it, one to hold the brolly. But looking forward to home made sausages. Now as we are busy I was thinking of getting the sausage meat made into batches and then freezing it. Make an initial batch of sausages then defrost the meat later make the next batch and may be refreeze. Do not shout at me if you should not refreeze, I am a man and I am just thinking.
Thanks noshed.
We unloaded ours and left, but it is a big slaughter house and I don't think we would have been allowed to watch if we had wanted. The smell when you arrive might put you off! :tongue2:
I know what the smell is like as there is a big abattoir at the back of ASDA Colne and OMG it smells bad. Can you imagine going to do your weekly shop with that stench!!!!
They are going to a small abattoir/butchers so no smell.
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Best way to do it. Local abbatoir, no long stressful journey, no scared animals penned up spreading fear and good quality meat at the end of it.
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If I do not do it they will go to market and some one else will.
Or they could move to Bonkers, hardly any frost, no snow and half a garage to shelter in :D
Serious bit : fantastic job you've done with them Rough, they look grand :D
Sarah :)
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They look great Rough! I wish I could taste pork that fresh but I don't think I have the guts to. Well done for what you are doing!
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They look great Rough! I wish I could taste pork that fresh but I don't think I have the guts to. Well done for what you are doing!
The meat I get back will not be fresh as you think, I will not get it back on the same day or week. The meat will be delivered to the butcher of my choice. Then hung and then butchered to what ever we want but that still has not been decide yet.
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Hi ours are being done on friday, we get one done as pork and the other as bacon, treat yourself to an electric mincer if you have'nt got one, mine has a sausage making attachment, mind you some of the sausages I make are hardly sausage shaped but great fun, and pork and bacon burgers better than beefburgers.
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Ok, so sunday is my last time to say hi to the little porkers. So I'll remember to say bye bye too :(
They gave me one of my biggest laughs this year :lol:
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Looking forward to seeing them for the last time too!
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Aww i'll miss thinking about them. Good luck with them Rough in the last few days, don't blubber too much when they go :(
Are you getting more next year?
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............Are you getting more next year?
As Churchill says "Ooooooh Yes"
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............Are you getting more next year?
As Churchill says "Ooooooh Yes"
Had to think about that for a few minutes and couldn't remember Winston saying that - then remembered the adverts :lol:
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Trailer has been purchased (ebay) and piggies booked in for there wings, day booked off work. It is gonna be Wednesday the 2nd of September.
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oohh, good luck, I am sure it will all go well and you will soon be eating lovely pork. :)
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Just want ed to wish you 'luck' , for tomorrow,
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Thanks I have had two sleepless nights so far thinking about it. I am off to do a drive by of the abattoir on my way home from work, so I know where it is tomorrow. I am not looking forward to it. But it has to be done.
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Well it's time when you realise you either eat food kindly produced or have acquired two large pets.
Perhaps if everyone had to be acquainted with their food and part of the process of production there would be more respect and less waste.
If those incredible figures are true, we waste a third of the food we buy in this country.
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I know itll be hard but youve got it all under control, well organised and have prepared yourself well for this. Ill be thinking of you
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Awww Roughlee! will be thinking of you all tomorrow! they have had a wonderful life and it wont be in vain!
Debbie
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Oh no they are not big pets, for one thing they are to costly to keep with out any return.
Next April I will happily take all the local waste food to feed the new pigs.
Total cost so far.
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/Fullscreencapture01092009102823.jpg)
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So do you know how much in meat you will get back? I mean is it good value money wise to do?
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Even if does work out more in money (or even not much cheaper) your pigs will have had a better stress free life which in my book counts for a lot :). I seem to recall that stress on an animal means tougher meat, so yours ruff should be nice and tender :D
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Even if does work out more in money (or even not much cheaper) your pigs will have had a better stress free life which in my book counts for a lot :). I seem to recall that stress on an animal means tougher meat, so yours ruff should be nice and tender :D
Yes and they get to eat grass.
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/week%2011/IMG_0946.jpg)
So do you know how much in meat you will get back? I mean is it good value money wise to do?
Well I am guessing at the moment but I will probably get about 50-60 KG off each pig.
So 100kgs ish in total.
Half a pig as sausages and Bacon and the rest pork joints and one ham (boned) we are going to try and air dry it.
Imagine the best tasting pork (top end organic with all the extra bells and whistles) provenance is the best you can get and then you are comparing it with supermarket stuff. There is no comparison.
You will have paid more for it (slightly) but you will no way have paid what it should have cost if you where to purchase a like for like comparison product.
I am looking at it as freedom foods product with added pillows and massages but with the added benefit of it being better in taste.
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I think thats fab, they've had a great life, well worth doing and i wish i could just haven't got the balls for it though :(
You'll be snorting and rolling in mud when you've eaten all that pork :lol:
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I will definitely be rolling as I will be so round. Though I already snort. :D
Good pork is good bartering with though!!
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Wow, I was amazed at your food costs, at 35 weeks (at slaughter) ours had cost £70 per pig to feed. My food cost £6.60 per 25kg bag. The pigs weighed about 160 - 170 lbs live weight. 1/2 pig returned 70lb lean meat.
Still, I know we don't raise them for the money, it's all about quality of life and quality of pork. :)
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Wow, I was amazed at your food costs, at 35 weeks (at slaughter) ours had cost £70 per pig to feed. My food cost £6.60 per 25kg bag. The pigs weighed about 160 - 170 lbs live weight. 1/2 pig returned 70lb lean meat.
Still, I know we don't raise them for the money, it's all about quality of life and quality of pork. :)
Yes it is for the pigs and us.
If I was able to get the feed at your price it would have cost me £204.60 So may be I should shop around next year and may be get it by the pallet.
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We got BOCM Pauls '446' pig feed from a local supplier, he also delivers free if we order 10 bags or more. :)
On the BOCM web site (the farmgate bit) I think you can find a supplier.
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tomorrows D day Ruffle, good luck, i'll be waiting here for you with a stiff scotch and some man size tissues :wub:
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tomorrows D day Ruffle, good luck, i'll be waiting here for you with a stiff scotch and some man size tissues :wub:
I will need a couple of boxes. :blush:
I do not care if I cry like a girl, just as long as I can eat the pork.
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there there, never mind, we're all here for you :)
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:( I'll do the blubbing for you, Rough :blink:
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Oh no I will cry like a girl. Just hope I get some sleep. Trailer is in place and small run has been made to the trailer.
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Can we have a picture of you with swollen, blubby, red eyes?? :tongue2:
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good luck for tomorrow, nickyx
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Good luck with it, may it be quick for the piggies.
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good luck rough :(, xx
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Good luck! my tummy is going over for you, today they fulfill their destiny
Debbie
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Good Luck Today rough. You have done a fantastic Job and should be very proud. Hopefully one day I can be as brave as you. The pigs have had the best days of their lives.
Good luck. were all thinking of you. Be brave.
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wanted to send you hugs today. the first thing i thought of when i woke up was how you must be feeling today :(. i dont know what to say to you, other than you know they have had the very best kind of life, well done you should be proud. you have saved 2 pigs from an awful (commercial) short life, they have lived the way they are supposed to live, and they have been happy and healthy . good luck today hunny xx
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Can we have a picture of you with swollen, blubby, red eyes?? :tongue2:
he looks like that anyway :D
good luck today Ruffle.
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ER it did not go well the pigs would not go anywhere near the trailer even for there fav treat. I had till 12 to get em in but the pigs had other ideas.
So I have booked another day off work, The trailer is now in the field with the pigs (with a wheel clamp). There is food in the trailer and the ramp is down. Monday is the day now :blush: I wanted to get it done today. >:(
Thanks for all your comments.
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arh no, wot a nitemare for you as you had yourself all prepared for today, nickyx
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That's awful after getting you all psyched up as well. Think leaving he trailer with feed in it is a good idea - hopefully after a day or so they will be OK with going inside it.
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naughty pigs eh? :(
Maybe as they have a shelter rather than an arc and they didn't fancy going in to somewhere? Keep feeding them in the trailer only so they get used to it.
To be on the safe side you could even load them the night before, put some straw and water in, they can have a good night's sleep then trundle of in the morning with no stress for you or them.
Good luck...again :)
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your piggies must have a sixth sense :wub:
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your piggies must have a sixth sense :wub:
Nah, he's lying. He just chickened out :tongue2:
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Ruffle have you been telling us porkies? :ohmy:
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Well his little piggies didn't go to market, his little piggies stayed at home :lol:
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I have not chickened out, or telling porkies. Honest.
I had problems getting them to cross where the fence was. They then got frightened. They then decided that roots in the feild was a better option than having my breakfast. I have built a run to the trailer and we will see what happens. Fingers crossed.
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it's typical that they wont cross the 'invisible line' where the electric fence used to be when you want them to, but when you don't, they're off like a shot! :lol:
Try a straw 'path' into the trailer.
Remember, you can't push a pig, they tend to jack-knife. :lol:
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I have not chickened out, or telling porkies. Honest.
I had problems getting them to cross where the fence was. They then got frightened. They then decided that roots in the feild was a better option than having my breakfast. I have built a run to the trailer and we will see what happens. Fingers crossed.
you didn't offer them a bacon butty as a bribe did you? :lol:
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No I used sausages silly.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
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How could you use sausages, you haven't got any yet :lol: :lol:
Sorry it didn't go well today.
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After this mornings er problem and cursing myself. The saying "Failure to prepare is preparing to fail." going round my head this afternoon. I went to feed them and with not allot of encouragement look what happened!!!!!!!
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/week%2020/02092009439.jpg)
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/week%2020/02092009438.jpg)
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Looks like they will ok now for next Monday Ruff :D xx
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sausages all round next week then ;)
sorry it didnt go as planned, hope it goes well next week. i dont know about the animals getting stressed, but you must need a drink tonight eh hun?
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Sorry, Rough, got to chuckle :tongue2:
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See! and people say pigs are stupid! :lol: after working with them for many years i knows they are very cunning! ;)
do feel for you though Rough! all that worry and stress only for it not to happen! :(
Debbie
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come monday morning.....................when the pigs will obviously know somethings up and that Ruffle has to be there before 12, i bet they won't go in untill half past:lol:
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:wub:...oh well, he'll just have to keep them :wub:...i mean what can you do if they just wont go in?
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there is nothing more annoying (or temper provoking) than an animal that won't go in a trailer (horses mainly) i have seen the most easy going and placid people (me :D) completely lose it over a stubborn horse, i think if Ruffle doesn't get them in on monday before 12 he'll cheerfully sling them on the bbq as is :lol:
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I have had that experience with horses as well. A rearing 16.2 horse is no fun when you have hooves inches from your nose. I have found that a Chifney bit works wonders.
(http://www.yourhorse.co.uk/upload/14316/images/Shires%20Chifney%20Bit.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3130/2736951919_61b8d05aa1.jpg)
I cannot unfortunately use one on a pig. I did have a regular walker come past and offer me his dog lead!!!!!!!!!!
They had there breakfast again in the trailer!! Not much encouragement needed. Oh well learning cure.
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You're not eating the horses as well are you?? :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy:
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i have found that long reins attached to the sides of the trailer (stops them diving off the ramp) and crossed over behind the horse and a broom up the bum works wonders :lol:
what annoys me most is when they go in and promptly reverse out before i've had time to put the bar up. :mad:
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You're not eating the horses as well are you?? :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy:
ER had crossed my mind. Espcaily when the stand on your feet. That realy hurts as painful as being kicked in the ......
Hey TMG try this.
(http://justinsomnia.org/images/horse-in-car.jpg)
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chip won't fit :(
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ARRRRG FFFFFING PIGS
I am going to go and cancel monday as holiday and calm down and I will be back
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what have they done now?
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OK slightly calmer.
My source of information is slightly lacking. Though very nice and very helpful and a good person.
She lives on a farm all her life and has kept and sold pigs for 5 years. Normally sold pigs to people that have kept them before.
I have been keeping pigs slightly naughtily!!
Though ignorance is not a defence I thought I had done everything by the book.
I have a DEFRA holdings number.
I have read the web page = http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/id-move/pigs/index.htm (http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/id-move/pigs/index.htm)
The pigs are tagged/identified in one ear.
The AML2 form (Pig Movement Licence)was finished and sent to the local trading standards when I went and got the pigs.
So I ring Local Trading Standards to ask for a new AML2 form as I spoilt the last one by filling it out before loading and dated and signed it.
Local Trading Standards "Can I have your holdings number....."
LTS "Your not a registared keeper of pigs, You have no heard number."
Me "Oh B"gger"
LTS "I will give you the Number of your local Animal Health Office you will need a number and tag from them"
Me "Thank you"
Local Animal Health Office "The pig team are a bit pushed at the moment can I take your number and get some one to call you back."
Me "They are supposed to be going to slaughter this Monday."
LAHO "OK I will try and get someone to you ASAP."
Half an Hour Later.
LAHO "Hello firstly we need to registrar you as a keeper of pigs, you will then get a herd number, then they must go to slaughter with two tags one for the breeder and the other one for your heard number."
Me "Oh B"gger"
LAHO "We are between systems at the moment. You are now registered as a keeper of pigs. But you will have to wait till Monday when we will download the information to the old system that creates the herd numbers and then it is checked and then a letter is sent to you with your herd number. At that point you can order the tags"
Me "Oh B"gger"
So the pigs now have a bit longer to wait. I am guessing at least 1 week may be two. :blink:
On a better note I have been told by the wife that the pigs are top and tail asleep in the trailer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edit: added a bit of info about my source of information.
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What a carry on just for two little piggies :nowink:
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Hey they are not little. ???
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oh dear, and you thought you had it sussed :(
i bet the pigs knew this and that's why they didn't load, they were saving you from a uneccessary trip because you didn't have the relevent paper work ::)
nice piggies :lol:
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oh dear, and you thought you had it sussed :(
i bet the pigs knew this and that's why they didn't load, they were saving you from a uneccessary trip because you didn't have the relevent paper work ::)
nice piggies :lol:
I thought I had it sussed as well. :(
I am pleased that they did not load because I can just imagine them getting there unloading and then being turned round again and sent back.
They would probably never load ever again.
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i bet their snoozing in the trailer thinking..............i bet he thinks we're stupid 8)
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:ohmy:
I hope not.
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well they must be thinking something, it's that or "look what daddy bought us to sleep in, it's very comfy ::)
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I think you are giving them to much credit in the brains front.
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well, they do say animals take after their owners :tongue2:
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Is that why you have so many problems with yours?
:tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2:
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all my animals are very clever and well behaved................
i think you underestimate your piggies ::)
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What a b*gger!
I didn't understand this bit tho.
LAHO "Hello firstly we need to registrar you as a keeper of pigs, you will then get a herd number, then they must go to slaughter with two tags one for the breeder and the other one for your heard number."
When we sent ours we used a slap marker with our herd number on, didn't need any info on breeder. We were a bit retiscent to try to attach an ear tag onto a moving pig. The slap marker worked well and they hardly flinched.
I should also contact your abbatoir, they will need some information from you and you will have to fill in a form for food chain information and consignment details. You can get these forms from the local animal Heath and Welfare Team.
It is a bit of a minefield 1st time around but you will get the hang of it.
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........I didn't understand this bit tho.
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I basically need a herd number. Then some ear tags and a applicator. I have found that you can get some tags (plastic) blank so I can write my herd number on.
http://www.shearwell.co.uk/catalogue/pigtags.aspx
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that's good, didn't know you could get blank tags.
We were terrified at the thought of slap marking the pigs, it's basically a bed of nails! Anyhoo, they didn't mind and the marking was clear when we got the meat back.
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I did think about slap marking them.
Slap marking is your herd number or DEFRA Holdings Number tattooed onto the pigs shoulder.
(http://www.allflex.co.uk/images/slap_marking.jpg)
But you have to slap mark both front shoulders and this would not be easy after the first shoulder. Also you have to wait for the slap marker to be made.
If I go down the ear root I will only have to do one thing to them and then that is it. I could tag them when they are having there tea though it will not be as easy now they are in the trailer. I will at the weekend try gently putting pliers round there ears just to see if they have probs.
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ouch that looks nasty :ohmy:
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The pig would end up looking like this one both shoulders
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/Fullscreencapture03092009152215bmp.jpg)
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the slap marker does look nasty true but we were surprised how little the pigs reacted. We did it while they were eating and could do one shoulder after the other without them being bothered. to be honest they react more to the electric fencing!
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..........to be honest they react more to the electric fencing!
And how they scream. Bless.
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And how I do too when I stepped over it! :(
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Dam and blast.
If the pigs are going to slaughter you have to have heat proof tags.
these
(http://www.shearwell.co.uk/catalogue/images/tags/button.jpg)
are not I will need these
(http://www.shearwell.co.uk/catalogue/images/tags/PAT_Tags.jpg)
But this means that I have to wait now for the herd number.
Arrrrrrrrrrrrg Tin foiled again.
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oh well, at least they are still growing while you are waiting, it's no big deal really :)
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I want to just get it over and done with. Then I can sleep.
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I know, maybe you need some liquid sleeping potion :D It comes in 75cl bottles and is either red or white as far as I am told.
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I am even more narked with the pigs as I was changing the car battery on the fence and I was walking back to the garage and I slipped twisted landed on my left hip right knee and my left hand took a lot as it was under the battery. Nice cut on my finger and sore else where.
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It' really not your week is it? At this rate you will be glad to see the back of them. :lol:
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The worst thing that could happen is the pigs are a sleep in the trailer and some one takes both trailer and pigs. I have a wheel clamp on the trailer and it is insured. Cost me £12 for fully comprehensive for all year!!!!!!!! But you can not insure the pigs.
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Ruffle your such a pessimist, look on the bright side, if someone stole them you wouldn't have to worry about not having the right ear tags, movement order, paperwork.............they would :D
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But then what am I going to eat this winter?
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But then what am I going to eat this winter?
chicken! :lol:
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with reference to the slap marking, i think it has only been in recent years that the slap is done on the shoulders! where i worked, a few years ago our pigs had to be slapped in the armpit, the soft sentitive bit behind their elbow :ohmy: some of our maximus boars would kill you as soon as look at you! they were the size of small horses and had tusks! :ohmy: they certainly did flinch when it was done there! which i think is why they changed it to both shoulders!
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Oh boy, am I glad I couldn't be convinced that growing a pig and eating it is a good idea ::) Think I'll stick to the runner bean omelettes :lol:
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So when's D day now?
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I have to wait for Animal Health Agency http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalhealth/ (http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalhealth/)to give me a herd number, they will tell me this by letter!! Then I have to have some metal ear tags made with the herd number on them. Then its D day. When is a good question.
I now have another problem with the trailer.
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/Fullscreencapture07092009092908bmp.jpg)
One pig had got zapped by the electric run to the trailer and refused to got to the trailer with out allot of encouragement. I took down the fence and after they got over the fence not being there they went into the trailer and had a feed. Now one of the pigs is sporting a bit of a graze on its side from the other after a fight about food in the trailer and does not want to go in.
sigh. :(
So I am going to replace the Electric run with pallets and stakes so no matter what happens they are going to get herded to the trailer and can not get out.
I am starting to look forward to getting rid of them because I am having to many sleepless nights thinking about loading the big heavy pigs.
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Erm....................has Rough been taken by aliens and replaced with a little pink frog? :unsure:
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I was wondering that :ohmy:
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I was Aunty she did it to me. :(
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Why, have you been norty? (Again) and if you have been where's that norty TMG too? :tongue2:
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Why, have you been norty? (Again) and if you have been where's that norty TMG too? :tongue2:
I got off lightly TMG got turned into a turnip!!!
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Or, did she mean to do 'little pink pigs' , but with her age an being forgetful got it wrong
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Or, did she mean to do 'little pink pigs' , but with her age an being forgetful got it wrong
oooooh you is sailing close the the wind I can hear that wand charging up.
RUN
or in my case I am gonna hop it.
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Or, did she mean to do 'little pink pigs' , but with her age an being forgetful got it wrong
Ooh, be careful or you'll be turned into something strange too! :ohmy:
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Gulp, I'm going off to chicken chat, safer there!! :D
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Oops, oh well, theres normally vodka there isn't there- and loads of company :lol:
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Still waiting for my herd number. Fingers crossed it will be this week.
Then I have to send off for the tags.
Anyway I hope it is soon as they are getting big and soon they will not fit in the trailer!!
Here is a photo of pigs in the trailer with feed and eletric run. (did not last)
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/02092009439.jpg)
So I have blocked off the arc and they now sleep in the trailer.
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/IMG_5375.jpg)
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/IMG_5376.jpg)
The Trailer is a ifor williams P6e 6ft by 4ft as you can see they are comfortable and it is snug. Oh got the trailer from ebay!!
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/IMG_5405.jpg)
I also loaded them last night and all went well.
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Fingers crossed that the waiting will be over soon ruff :(
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Looks like you are in for plenty of pork off them two! We got our slap marker from fearings, they were very prompt, they do ear tags too.
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They look good
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(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/chicken%20stuff/IMG_5565.jpg)
Ear tags have arrived tagging tonight booking in tomorrow.
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Now have you got ALL of your paperwork in order this time? You don't want another frustrating morning :D
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I have
Holdings number
Herd number
Tags with herd number and individual numbers on them.
I have my AML2 form
http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/docs/forms/ahealth/aml/AML2.pdf
I just have to book em in, tag em, load em and then drive em, fill out loads of forms about what them been eating and where they been living.
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Re- the Food Chain Information, our slaughter house wanted the production site details BEFORE we took the pigs and the consignment form WITH the pigs. It may have been because it's a big place and they will have lots of paperwork. Still, I would check what yours want just incase.
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consignment form? or do you mean the AML2 form?
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The AML2 is the movement licence
The food chain information has 3 parts,
1, production site details. Basic info on where they are kept and which vet is registered to look after them. etc. Filled in once and sent to slaughter house before the day.
2. Consignment details, contact details etc, how many and what type of pigs, id method, if they have had any vet treatment etc. This if filled in for each consignment.
3. Additional Info, Only needed to be filled in if pigs have had any medical treatment.
http://www.food.gov.uk/foodindustry/guidancenotes/meatregsguid/fcipigslaughter.
If I remember right I got mine from the local animal health and welfare team.
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I will fill them out when I get there. Not been told to take em.
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That's fine then, as I thought, smaller slaughter house, a bit more of a relaxed approach. I wanted to help make sure you didn't have a wasted journey.
I would be happier using a smaller concern but there is only one other place within reasonable travelling distance and I have heard reports that you don't necessarily get the right meat back. That's why we went for slap markers too, if the head has been taken off, (as is usually the case) then the Id has gone.
The larger place we use is used by our butcher and he has the meat delivered straight to him from the slaughter house. It saves us having to try to transport huge pig carcasses in the back of the car. :)
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My brother slap marked both shoulders to make sure they were both from his pig.
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Well I am lucky then I have 4 slaughter houses near me one very very small, one large and one massive, I small ish place, only one problem it is 25 mins away. But they will sleep on the way there.
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My brother slap marked both shoulders to make sure they were both from his pig.
we do too, you don't want to go to all that trouble and get someone elses pork back! :lol:
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Well I am lucky then I have 4 slaughter houses near me one very very small, one large and one massive, I small ish place, only one problem it is 25 mins away.
We have a 40 minute journey :(
Isn't it a shame that small scale pig keepers can't have a licensed slaughterman come to the premises like in the olden days? You could have the blood and everything.
I was speaking to an old farmer's wife the other day, she used to have the, 'pig's fry' for lunch on slaughter day. A bit of pork, liver, kidney some gland she mentioned, (don't even want to go there). She said there was nothing like it. She also used to wash out the intestines for sausage casings. I don't think I'd fancy doing that but I am sure the sausages were fantastic.
I think I should have lived about 50 yrs ago. ;)
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I could wait for the blood if I wanted but I am gonna give that a miss this year.
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Hmmmm....blood :)
I do love a bit of black pudding.
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I do to but not this year.
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anyway, you are all set again so good luck, I am sure it will all go well this time and you will soon be eating VERY TASTY pork :D
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Blinkin eck Ruff,this is a lot of hassle for a full freezer :ohmy: :lol:
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But i hope the effort will be worth it.
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Im positive it will Ruff,sorry, I didnt mean to sound negative :blush:
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Slaughter tagged the girls this evening. Twas easy. Did it while they where having Tea. No major reaction. Very relieved.
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Well behaved girls? Will these be the only ones in the history of man? :lol: :lol:
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Narr I tink all girls are good.
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Narr I tink all girls are good.
You didnt grow up with 3 sisters...and me!
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Thank F for that
F stands for freddie Honest.
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Thank F for that
F stands for freddie Honest.
Aye, sure ;)
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Can't find how to quote from a page before this one but think yourselves very lucky. We have no slaughterhouses on the Island and our 'meat' has to be taken to the mainland and then sent back to be 'butchered'. (That doesn't sound quite right to me and I hope you understand what I mean). Our friend is a butcher for a local lamb producer and they are all Island Grown and are then shipped (ferried) off and then returned 48 hours later for him to sort out. On going petitions etc to have our local one re-opened.
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...........We have no slaughterhouses on the Island and our 'meat' has to be taken to the mainland and then sent back to be 'butchered'. ................. On going petitions etc to have our local one re-opened.
If there is not the business................
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There is the need if you ask the local producers of livestock but those who are in 'power' have decided we don't. The local Council are on the side of the stockmen (I think that's the right word) but it's those who are in power higher up who stop it.
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Hi, i stumbled across this disscusion, and feel i must share with you my hellish morning, i live in Spain and this morning a local farmer decided to slaghter his pigs, although im sure he employed a slaughter man to do the job, i can not tell you how distersting the noise was, i had to fill the house with very loud music, my thorghts of past conversations with ex pats on the terrible sightings of this operation makes me feel sick, i would feel a lot better if these beasts were taken to a registered place and the job done there, a lot of spanish will not employ a slatherman and attempet to do the job themselfs, i dont want to go into detail but let me say a lot of unnecssary suffering goes on, as it is a lot of people seem to get a kick out of cruelty, you only have to look at bull fighting, any way the reason for my contribution is when i read the passage from SM D66 saying what a shame you couldnt have the slaghterman on site, i only wish i could do something here to bring to light this terrible suffering that these poor innocent beasts go through in the hands of the inexperienced, this i dont surpose will ever change here but as a part of europe i would have thorght this pratice of slaughter illegal? TC
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I don't know about European law but I do know the Spanish attitude to animals isn't the same as ours.
If I could bring them home, we'd have hundreds of cats for starters.
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How terrible. :(
It seems to be the same story over and over, Mainland Europe just don't have the same standards as the UK in animal welfare.
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I have a house full of rescue animals, plus a horse that before coming to us didnt see the light of day, now she roams the land free, i have to work an extra job to pay for the upkeep of my clan, one of my dogs came from the farmer who killed the pig, he brings dogs to the farm dosnt feed them, they come to vist me and work their way in, last week we held an event and raised 2,300 euros for a rescue near by to try to get a roof on the shelter before the rainy season stats, alass it seems to have started already, but a group of kind hearted people will be woking in the rain for the love of these abandonded creatures, thank God for them, most of the rescue dogs will be found homes aborad, they will be the lucky ones, the rest will rely on the brits whio give a few hours of their time to keep the place going, we are going to hold more funtions to raise money so more dogs can be taken in by the rescue at the moment it filled to overflowing, each dog thats rehomed makes room for another.
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I have a house full of rescue animals, plus a horse that before coming to us didnt see the light of day, now she roams the land free, i have to work an extra job to pay for the upkeep of my clan, one of my dogs came from the farmer who killed the pig, he brings dogs to the farm dosnt feed them, they come to vist me and work their way in, last week we held an event and raised 2,300 euros for a rescue near by to try to get a roof on the shelter before the rainy season stats, alass it seems to have started already, but a group of kind hearted people will be woking in the rain for the love of these abandonded creatures, thank God for them, most of the rescue dogs will be found homes aborad, they will be the lucky ones, the rest will rely on the brits whio give a few hours of their time to keep the place going, we are going to hold more funtions to raise money so more dogs can be taken in by the rescue at the moment it filled to overflowing, each dog thats rehomed makes room for another.
Well done, keep up the good work! I have friends who have moved to Spain and say come visit, I won't, because of the Spanish attitude to animals. Many years ago I went to a wedding in Spain. The Spanish thought it hilarious to catch the pair of doves who had been released as a symbol of love, and wring their poor terrified necks. The English amongst us were horrified and I have refused to return since :(
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I have a house full of rescue animals, plus a horse that before coming to us didnt see the light of day, now she roams the land free, i have to work an extra job to pay for the upkeep of my clan, one of my dogs came from the farmer who killed the pig, he brings dogs to the farm dosnt feed them, they come to vist me and work their way in, last week we held an event and raised 2,300 euros for a rescue near by to try to get a roof on the shelter before the rainy season stats, alass it seems to have started already, but a group of kind hearted people will be woking in the rain for the love of these abandonded creatures, thank God for them, most of the rescue dogs will be found homes aborad, they will be the lucky ones, the rest will rely on the brits whio give a few hours of their time to keep the place going, we are going to hold more funtions to raise money so more dogs can be taken in by the rescue at the moment it filled to overflowing, each dog thats rehomed makes room for another.
Well done, keep up the good work! I have friends who have moved to Spain and say come visit, I won't, because of the Spanish attitude to animals. Many years ago I went to a wedding in Spain. The Spanish thought it hilarious to catch the pair of doves who had been released as a symbol of love, and wring their poor terrified necks. The English amongst us were horrified and I have refused to return since :(
Hi Rubellite before i moved to Spain i came from colchester, i was born and bred there, thats where i vist 2x a year to vist family and friends, we keep away from Spanish festivals refuse dinner invitations from the Spanish, unless we know them really well, the good news out of this is that with the british working very hard to bring aweareness of the need to treat animals with respect, opening charity shops to fund refuges,etc nagging goverment to help, the problem is less, you do have english folk wanting to go to a bull fight, they defend themselfs by saying its the spanish custom, well it was once the custom in the uk to burn people at the stake because they were thorght to be witches, where would we be if we all still held on to old customs? while holiday makers still want to vist such places we have no chance of stopping it.
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Back to the subject PIGs.
Today is Monday (well when I wrote this)
Last Wednesday I rang the abattoir and spoke to a girl about booking the pigs in.
"Can I bring them Friday" ME
"Er er Yes. Before half ten." Girl
"Ok thanks see you then." Me
"Can I have a name. " Girl
"Yes Stuart...." Me
"See you Friday" Girl
A friend turns up to help load. I have been loading the girls every other day for weeks, the pigs have been sleeping in the trailer. So it was quick and easy to get them in.
So I turns up Friday about nine. No one about! Ring the main number and....
"We do not do pigs on Friday only on Monday and Wednesday no liquid on see...." Slaughter man "Yes your booked in .....I am gonna give someone a B@ll@rking."
The Slaughter man came and explained that because they do not have the liquid on they can not dip the pigs (to take of the hairs) so if I wanted them doing I would loose all the rind (fat and taste). He said it would be a shame as they looked good.
Booked them in for Monday.
I checked them in the trailer and they just yawned at me!!! Stressed no. Relaxed yes.
So back they came home. Now they have 30 mins of motorway and 15 mins of bumpy A and B roads back home and when they got back they where very stressed and panting. Oh poo I thought, never going to get them back into the trailer.
I had given away all my feed to the freind that had helped me load! So got them unloaded and when a purchased feed.
They would not eat allot as not in the mood.
It they would not even go near the trailer.
I left them to get cool down.
At that night they did not sleep in the trailer I went out at 21:00hrs and they where sleeping out. I followed them round and where ever they lay (normaly on waste hay) I wet the hay and them. I then called them to the trailer and they came but did not stay.
I left them to it.
Saturday slept out
Sunday day they came in once and slept.
Sunday night I checked at 22:00 and they where sleeping out. :(
Early start have to be there before 08:00!!! So up at 6 (normal) and out.
They where asleep in the trailer. :) Tiptoed up and closed the ramp while they slept.
Loaded and then filled out the AML2 movement form. I was there at 07:40 the pigs where cool and calm. Waited for the person in front to unload then the pigs. While I was waiting I looked at the other pigs. OMG mine are huge compared with the others. My turn came to unload and would they come out of the trailer.
NO
It took three people to "encourage" them out. Two by the ears and me behind. Once there heads where out they wandered off sniffing the new smells.
"There a bit bigger than you said, I about 120KG's" Slaughter man
That is twice the weight they should have been!!!!
Oh well live and learn.
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So it's RIP piggies, hello pork?
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:( :( :(
Hug for you x
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Hugs for you but also congratulations on finally getting there and going through with it. At least you know that they have had a very happy life, xx
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So it's RIP piggies, hello pork?
Hello possibly 180-200kgs of pork in total!!
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WELL DONE :D
I know how hard this 1st 'journey' is. At least you are getting plenty of pork for all that feed. :)
Next time you will have a bit of experience under your belt and will feel more confident, know what to expect etc.
Are they being hung? when do you get your meat?
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All is going to the Butcher. Wednesday/Thursday. Not sure when we will get it back home.
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Thanks for the info on going to the slaughter house, all our friends think we will be keeping our two girls for pets - but that is not the reason why we have them. mind you if anyone had seen **** ( no names) lying in my lap fast asleep at the weekend I could understand why they think that way. That's another thankyou for the tummy rubbing trick, ours also like being rubbed under the chin, either one causes them to go weak at the knees and flop down - often on top of one of us. My hubby has just spent the last few weekend renovating a fallen down stone field shelter and putting a roof on it ready for when it gets too cold and wet to leave them in just the wooden field house. They do seem to be very affectionate with him (or is it because he goes out last thing at night to make sure they are tucked up). May be get a photo if the weather improves.
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How old are they?
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They were born end of May, so 4 months. getting quite heavy now.
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Try weighing them with this formula from SMD66
as pig scales are not readily available we did it by measurement. Got this from a book, 'teach yourself keeping pigs' by Tony York.
Measure, in inches (easiest while they are eating)
length from middle of ears to root of tail
girth around shoulders tight up to front legs
Multiply length by girth and divide by 12 if lean, 11 if meduim and 10 if fat.
The answer is in lbs.
we found it best to send ours for slaughter when they weighed 170 lb.....
Mine had reached this weight (I am shocked when I realised this) back on the 8th of July
In that case at 22 weeks ish or 5 and a half months my two are 187lbs and 167lbs or in new money 85Kgs and 76Kgs. I think they may be ready.
But I did not have a trailer and I did not think it was right at the time.
Hindsight !!!
So go weight you pigs Daftodil. While they are eating.
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Well done Stu, they've had a fantastic life with you!!!
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Youve handled this all really well Stuart, well done and enjoy the pork (save some for a BBQ next year :D )
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Youve handled this all really well Stuart, well done and enjoy the pork (save some for a BBQ next year :D )
He wont need to save any, they were BIG! :)
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Well done Roughlee! your a fully fledged pig keeper now! so when is the bbq? ;)
Debbie
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OK the pigs will be back at the butchers on Wednesday. The butcher will ring me and the wife will go to see the butcher and he will explain what he can do to the carcases. He says depending on if they have 1 inch of fat, 2 inches.... depends what cut you can get from them. It is not as simple as I want loin bacon ......
bbq?
I think we may have a tasting where you can purchase some pork as well. :lol:
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So, if you had had them slaughtered earlier would the meat have been more lean or more tender? Does there come a point when they just put on fat?
Think you've done very well this week Ruff ;)
(I am going to get myself up to the free range pork farm and try curing some bacon this weekend as love bacon but have deduced that the preservatives in much of it are what gives me migraines :( and the husband gets fed up with migraines :D )
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OK the pigs will be back at the butchers on Wednesday. The butcher will ring me and the wife will go to see the butcher and he will explain what he can do to the carcases. He says depending on if they have 1 inch of fat, 2 inches.... depends what cut you can get from them. It is not as simple as I want loin bacon ......
bbq?
I think we may have a tasting where you can purchase some pork as well. :lol:
Is there any home made plonk we can taste too? ;)
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So, if you had had them slaughtered earlier would the meat have been more lean or more tender? Does there come a point when they just put on fat?
I am not sure is the answer. We will find out tomorrow (at the earliest) when my butcher gives me a ring to tell me if they have arrived or not. As I work 1 hour away the wife is going in to see the butcher and he will explain what cuts are available.
Does there come a point when they just put on fat?
I do not believe if they have the correct environment the should be lean. It depends on if I got the amount of daily feed correct. Think of them like humans if they are kept in front of the TV and fed they are going to be fat but if they have a bit of exersise.......
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Is there any home made plonk we can taste too? ;)
None that I have made. But Stella may have some.
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(I am going to get myself up to the free range pork farm and try curing some bacon this weekend as love bacon but have deduced that the preservatives in much of it are what gives me migraines :( and the husband gets fed up with migraines :D )
I have ordered 5 kgs of Oak shavings.
I work for an engineering company and I given the plans of a smoker to a man that can and it works. Just need the vessel to smoke them in. It is still i the planning stage at the moment.
I am going to be following this when I make me bacon.
http://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/articles/bacon/makingbacon/
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does it seem quiet with out them roughlee, you gonna get some more. nickyx
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Not quiet plenty to do. Hope to get some more in April. Why April? Because by then it will still be light at 6pm at night and 6am in the morning (this is when get up and when get home from work.
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I will be very interesed in the amount of fat ruff, (on the pigs, not you)
I work on an amount of food per day, (plus greens etc) whereas you fed ad-lib. Your pigs came to slaughter weight very quickly whereas mine take longer, (bearing in mind breed differences).
If yours aren't too fatty then maybe I will increase the feed. Our last lot varied a bit, surprisingly the smallest had the most fat, the biggest was the leanest! (9mm fat)
the wife will go to see the butcher and he will explain what he can do to the carcases. He says depending on if they have 1 inch of fat, 2 inches.... depends what cut you can get from them. It is not as simple as I want loin bacon ......
If they have a thick layer of fat the 'eye' of the meat is smaller and the piece of bacon will not look that appetising. It's not so bad on a chop as you can have it cut thicker.
Good luck with the bacon, I wasn't as brave as to do my own. Our pig supplier said he'd not done well with bacon and I didn't want to end up wasting any of the meat by ruining it myself. I left it to the butcher.
Let me know how yours goes. :)
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They still have not arrived at the butchers and the if they arrive today the wife can not go and see them also, we have visitors staying this weekend so can't go tomorrow. I am only planning on doing a small piece of bacon and one leg as a ham the rest is being left to the butcher.
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you not gonna do a bit of belly pork with crackling, you carnt beat crackling. nickyx
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Depends on how thick the fat is.
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I bet you can't wait to get them back, It's the most exciting bit!
I just measured mine this morning, I would say they have about 3 weeks to go. (putting on 6-7 lbs a week)
We have started contacting previous customers to see if they want another 1/2, we have a waiting list of new customers too!
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As we live next to a public foot path and it actually is next to the pig area, next year I am going to put up a sign.
You have seen
Why not taste.
Orders taken for Pork
Ring .............
Email ............
DO NOT FEED THE PIGS
IT IS ILLEGAL
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good idea, cheap advertising.
We only had to mention we had pigs and new 'freinds' came running with an order!
Ours were in public view for a while, it's surprising how many people think it's ok to just throw in some food. :mad:
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Ours were in public view for a while, it's surprising how many people think it's ok to just throw in some food. :mad:
Come on, it's ignorance not malice. They're doing it for the best of reasons. I must admit it wouldn't have struck me that it was wrong and I am a little aware of the regulations. It's connecting the theory with those cute hungry piggies where I'd fail.
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true, most people are unaware of the regulations and I only ever pointed them out to people in a friendly manner. We don't have the problem now since our new permanent enclosure isn't near the road.
Still, I think it prudent of Ruff to put up a sign. If trading standards/animal welfare got hold of the fact that the pigs are regularly fed by the public then he could be in trouble through no fault of his own.
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Oh I agree he's wise to put up the sign. I'm in favour of public footpaths but it must be a bio-security problem and as for the bad dog owners...
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Congratulations on getting through a traumatic week. Bet it will be the best tasting pork you've ever had.
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a butcher in Malton once put up a sign out side his shop
you've read the book
you've seen the film
now eat the cast
bunnies £2.50 each
he got told off :D
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Some people have no sense of humour!
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Itd make me buy!
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There's a butcher in Mychellenxzclth (that place in Wales anyway) which advertises his meat as being from vegetarian animals.
And they are
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Hi Ruff - have you got your pork back from the butchers yet? If so what's it taste like, fat percentage etc.
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The wife went to see butcher on Tuesday.
Pig One is 240lbs or 108kgs
Pig Two is 260lbs or 117kgs
Dead weight.
Which is a total of 225Kgs or just short of a 1/4 of a metric tonne!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The butcher had taken the shoulder off from Pig and there was an inch of fat on the top.
We are hoping to get 1 pig back this weekend.
Luckily we love pork.
Oink
We are also considering sending out hampers to our family for Christmas. They will contain pork!!!
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Wow, hope the freezer you bought is big enough (and the floor it stands on is strong enough), almost 1/4 tonne is a heck of a lot of pork :D. Lucky relatives you have there, pork from free ranging happy pigs.
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take a photo please when you get it back so we can see how much there is, we'll all be sat at our puters dribbling :lol:
Seems to take a long time to get it back though doesn't it?
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WOW that's a lot of pork. Our biggest weighed in at 72kg dead weight with 9mm back fat.
I personally prefer about that amount of fat, maybe just a bit more.
I am sure yours will taste delicious. Well done, wonder if you'll still love pork tho in a yrs time! :lol:
It does take time to get it back, ours was the same, at least it is stored at a very low temp so no problem with the meat.
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...............we'll all be sat at our puters dribbling ..................
I thought you were all mentally disturbed on here, and now I have confirmation.
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Erm, pot, kettle , black me thinks ? :tongue2: :lol:
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What EVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER
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Hello pig and errrr pig......
I'm loving the colour co-ordination with the bucket, pigs and your stars. You should be a interior designer ;)
Mentally disturbed? Don't know what you mean?
Oink oink oink :wacko:..................
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I was always a perfectly sane at school wasn't I Sarah.
Oh but after you last post you a probably not the best person to be vouching for me.
And it was not a school for the mentally disturbed either.
:unsure:
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Stuart and myself are perfectly sane. My previous post must have been a blip. Can't vouch for how the other children grew up though. ???
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Stuart and myself are perfectly sane. My previous post must have been a blip. Can't vouch for how the other children grew up though. ???
I would imagine they wwere deeply traumatised. :tongue2:
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I was the traumatised one :ohmy:
Not by Stuart :nowink: He was a lovely boy - honest
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We have had one pig back. OMG OMG OMG.
There is so much pork.
Forgot to ask for loins to be boned!! (contains back bone)
Belly pork loads.
ER I got me self a 13.3 CU.FT Feezer about a third full.
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Oh and taste is good.
mmmmmmm
Chops thick.
Fat ....... an inch then the rind. Photos of the meat to come. Also going to write some tips on what not to do.
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My first job was on the cooked meats counter of a shop and I learned to bone gammon and bacon joints. You need a very sharp knife, sharpening steel, 5 packs blue plasters and full first aid kit for real accidents ::)
Are you going to bacon?
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Ok Roughlee we "weighed" our two pigs whilst they were eating (with a tape measure from my sewing box) and they are 152lb and 145lb (last week). Hubby has now booked a day off in early December to take them "away". I have booked a family member for the following weekend to come and help butcher, sausage make, bacon make and joint a few bits. I reckon they should have put on the 20 odd pounds by then to bring to the 170lb recommended weight. In case anyone is interested I have found another good site for info and products for making sausages and bacon - it has forums and links just like this one (so now instead of spending an hour or so reading evrything on this site I can spend a whole afternoon on both sites - wonder when I'll feed the pigs and chickens ::))site is http://www.sausagemaking.org/
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Thanks I will have a look through that.
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thanks daffodil, I will also look at that site, I am looking to make some sausages myself from this batch of pork.
If it's any help, our last batch were fed 4 lb food a day (plus apples etc) and put on around 6 - 7 lb a week. based on that yours should be up to slaughter weight by December. Good luck!
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(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/IMG_5835.jpg)
Boned and Rolled Loin with 1 inch of fat and one inch of rind.
This is the combination of being kept to long and a little over feeding.
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:( Well at least you'll know for next time.
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I must admit that i had never heard of someone feeding pigs as much as you did, you live and learn, it will be cheaper for feed next time! The meat will still taste as good tho :D
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that looks perfect to me! my favourite bit is the fat and rind :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2: my mouth is watering!!! I love pork bellies too! yum yum yum yum!!!!!!!! i think i need my dinner!?
Debbie