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Title: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: Growster... on March 21, 2017, 12:03
Since John wangled some of us a few Crimson Crush cuttings two years ago, I've been trying an experiment.

Although most of us here thought they could be F1s, I sowed fifteen from seed from one particular cutting, and started them off again last year. Chums here might remember that two particular plants just motored away, and stayed blight free right up to October. Others from the same batch faded pretty early on, as did some Marmande. Everyone on the allotments got some blight.

The roots on one of the pair of plants were just enormous, and the leaves looked leathery with no bifurcations and stayed strong the whole time. The fruit was just a bit better than OK, but when there's blight about, anything's better than nothing at all!

So today, I've popped in twenty-five seeds from that particular plant, and we'll see what happens...

(Yeah yeah, I know I said I wouldn't, but it's a nice sunny day and the fingers start itching..;0)
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: whitehill1 on March 21, 2017, 13:41
Growster..Have you got more seeds ? I want to give it a go if yes
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: sunshineband on March 21, 2017, 17:27
I bought more seeds Growster as I forgot I was going to try this for the next season. Good luck, and hope it works well!
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: Growster... on March 22, 2017, 12:13
Growster..Have you got more seeds ? I want to give it a go if yes

Hi Whitehill - I've PMd you!
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: whitehill1 on March 22, 2017, 12:19
Growster,

Could you please send PM to 'whitehill1' , if you have sent to 'Whitehill' instead!




Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: Growster... on April 16, 2017, 10:40
Sowed about twenty, as I want to try and put them in strategic places where they might be among blight (like down at the Patch), and then carry on as normal!

The seedlings all have similar leaves to the parent from last year - so far that is...

How are yours Sunny and White?
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: sunshineband on April 16, 2017, 11:22
Sowed on 9th April. All "new" seeds I bought are up, plus one so far from the second generation. Look the same, but tbh so do most of the other varieties too lol
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: gobs on April 16, 2017, 12:22
Is this supposed to be blight resistant?
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: juvenal on April 16, 2017, 17:15
'Blight resistant' is the claim in the packet. Mine are 1" high, and after potting up will be in a cold conservatory until May. Thence onto allotment as a trial.
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: Growster... on April 16, 2017, 17:18
Is this supposed to be blight resistant?

Gobs, the 'trial' is to use some seed from a couple of plants last year, which were seeded from a parent the year before and seemed to have different characteristics from the others planted last year, also from the same saved-seed collection.

We had blight all over the allotments, but just two plants didn't get affected, and went on for ages, such that I took some seed and dried as many as I could for this year. I've got a few left for next year, but Sunny and White also are trying some as well.

The plants' leaves look more like spuds, (not surprising), but I'm going to give them my best shot both here and down at The Patch, where blight usually gets going later on in the summer.

Crimson Crush were developed to be blight-resistant, and the two plants (from several), last year, definitely were, so it seemed worth a pop to see if they do the same this year!

There's no science involved, there's loads of evidence that they'll revert to something else; I'll hold both hands up if they fail, but heyho - what's it all about!

Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: gobs on April 16, 2017, 21:28
Thanks guys, I shall be following with interest. ;)

However, the problem is, that the pathogen mutates fast. Another strain will be around most likely, than what they are resistant to. At least, so I am told... But then, we get resistant pots. So, go for it!
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: sunshineband on April 17, 2017, 10:05
100% germination this morning.... I did only sow four seeds, but looks like I could grow four plants, fingers crossed. I have their space all marked out at the plot, where every year tomatoes are decimated by late blight towards September. Last year's Crimson Crushes survived despite a few affected leaves (which I picked off)

How many are you and Whitehill growing Growster?
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: victoria park on April 17, 2017, 18:08
A bad germination record for my Crimson crush so far this year. Managed a germination of 5 from 14 sown in a heated propagator on 23 March. Since I have sown another 18 seeds in modules in a sunny cold greenhouse on 3 April, and so far only 3 have germinated. Not very good at all. Am going to do a last sowing today/tomorrow in the heated propagator in different compost to cobble together a viable outside sauce crop. Very very poor attrition rate this year, when last year virtually all seeds germinated.
At least I'm confident that these reliable monsters will provide some sort of crop that makes it through the blight to my freezer. With a bit of basil/onion, they'll be great and outshine most shop sauces.  I only hope I have somewhere to plug my freezer in when the time comes.  :D
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: Growster... on April 17, 2017, 20:07
100% germination this morning.... I did only sow four seeds, but looks like I could grow four plants, fingers crossed. I have their space all marked out at the plot, where every year tomatoes are decimated by late blight towards September. Last year's Crimson Crushes survived despite a few affected leaves (which I picked off)

How many are you and Whitehill growing Growster?

I popped in twentythree seeds, Sunny, so I can place them in the various parts of the garden, and the Patch, to try some sort of experiment... (two have been slugged - never no more, although one is trying to recuperate...).

As a humble Growster, it'll be just me doing the biz, but HEY! That's what we're all here for isn't it!
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: sunshineband on April 17, 2017, 22:06
Yes well, 23 sounds a perfect number really lol

I do have a significant number of plants of other varieties so had to settle for the four of Gen2e as they are labelled, which btw are now called The Penguins hehehe
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: Growster... on April 18, 2017, 07:23
Good choice of name there, Sunny!

Those penguins are thriving thanks to decent weather these days!
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: Growster... on April 18, 2017, 07:34
A bad germination record for my Crimson crush so far this year. Managed a germination of 5 from 14 sown in a heated propagator on 23 March. Since I have sown another 18 seeds in modules in a sunny cold greenhouse on 3 April, and so far only 3 have germinated. Not very good at all. Am going to do a last sowing today/tomorrow in the heated propagator in different compost to cobble together a viable outside sauce crop. Very very poor attrition rate this year, when last year virtually all seeds germinated.
At least I'm confident that these reliable monsters will provide some sort of crop that makes it through the blight to my freezer. With a bit of basil/onion, they'll be great and outshine most shop sauces.  I only hope I have somewhere to plug my freezer in when the time comes.  :D

You may get a bit more from germinating on a sunny window sill, Victoria (not you of course, the seeds)!

Our greenhouse is only frost-free, and they take ages getting going there - proof of this is that another small 'rogue' has appeared where least expected and after a couple of weeks...
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: victoria park on April 19, 2017, 16:45
Another 5 have popped their heads up in the greenhouse, so that's cheered me up.
Fussy prima donnas at the start of life, perhaps, but tough as old boots come the blight.  :)
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: victoria park on May 24, 2017, 20:41
My first 6 crimson crush have been planted outside today. I have another 10 to put out in a week, 3 of which are armpit cuttings.
Looking forward to properly controlling and cordoning these plants this year. I have great hopes for a reliable blight resistant outside crop this year to complement my greenhouse luvvies. I have faith in this F1 variety, and am looking to catch some seed from any plant that performs the best.
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: Growster... on May 25, 2017, 07:12
I planted out a dozen CC down at The Patch yesterday, which is where they'll be exposed to blight from the other plots.

(They had some chums with a couple of Gardener's Delight and a Country Taste as well, just to keep them happy and the party going...)

I'm also interspersing one or two everywhere at home to, like in the greenhouse, just outside the greenhouse on a concrete slab path, out the front of the house ettc, and will see what occurs in all these places!

Absolutely no science involved (although I did get 72% in Chemistry at GCE level), just a lot of eprime... exporimen...TRYING to see what might happen..;0)
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: juvenal on May 25, 2017, 10:52
I've just put out a dozen CC plants on an allotment (total 110 plots) where no one else grows tomatoes outside, due to blight.

I'll report back on how well or ill they did!
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: sunshineband on May 25, 2017, 17:09
Mine are in spread between a block planting of nine plants, and slightly random places around the two plots as well. No sorting into CC or penguins, just as they came off the tray. There are several other varieties planted outside too, so will certainly test the blight situation.

All looking decent plants, so let's hope they stay that way!
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: victoria park on July 24, 2017, 21:42
Well, after a slow start, my crimson crush are beginning to look like the thick trunked monsters they can be. I've been a bit remiss in rubbing out the side shoots and have consequently added a few bamboos to prop up two headed monsters. It won't help the air flow, but I'm confident in their ability to do the right thing.
Everything looking good, and am confident of success now we are entering the real blight period.
Any news on your own seeded plants growster ?
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: juvenal on July 24, 2017, 22:53
My dozen plants of CC are hale and hearty so far, on a Bournemouth area allotment only too familiar with tomato blight. Trusses have green fruit up to 2" across.

As the blight season approaches it's fingers crossed time. I will report back.
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: Growster... on July 25, 2017, 06:17
Timely reminder to keep in touch, Juvenal, thank you!

All ours in the various positions are thriving, and most of them look the same this year, with an odd branching of the main stem which I'm using to have up to two trusses per branch where I can see them!

Some fruit is quite big, others marginal, but at least still there!

Touch wood there's no blight anywhere so far, but we had a Hutton message yesterday...
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: sunshineband on July 25, 2017, 08:53
Our CCs are doing well outside and have plenty of fruit setting. The Gen2e lot (aka The Penguins) are very varied in appearance with one plant have potato-style leaves and a coule having differently shaped fruit too, which is interesting.

I have kept them fairly well pruned and supported on canes, which means I can actually see fruit and leaves to compare

Not as far on as they were this time last year, but they went in later, so looking forward to fruit expansion still. Optimistic!
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: victoria park on July 28, 2017, 18:55
The pic down below shows my crimson crush a couple of days ago. They are in great health and some are just starting to turn colour and of course, some are looking very large. I think why I took to crimson crush last year, after having been mainly a greenhouse tomato grower is that I have confidence they will give me a crop despite the worst of blight. That n itself makes it worthwhile growing them, even if they do eventually succumb in late September.
I have sixteen of the monsters and this week's weather is the first real blight test. I have a couple of sacrificial sungolds outside and one might just be showing a bit of trouble, but hopefully not.
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: Growster... on July 28, 2017, 19:13
Good looking plants there Victoria! Super looking fruit too!

The stems are similar to ours, great thick things, which gives me hope, as the fruit presumably demands a decent stalk to hang from, if I'm not mistaken!

Fingers crossed anyway, we had a Hutton note the other day, but so far, so good...
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: juvenal on August 19, 2017, 17:51
I've just put out a dozen CC plants on an allotment (total 110 plots) where no one else grows tomatoes outside, due to blight.

I'll report back on how well or ill they did!

No signs of blight on Crimson Crush. I've harvested and eaten a dozen fruit so far, with good size tomatoes aplenty ripening day by day.

I'm not home and dry yet, but my dozen plants are thriving so far...

The neighbouring plot grew a few Alicante? Moneymaker? are all were blighted. She scrapped them last week.

I'll come back with a final report as the season progresses
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: Growster... on August 19, 2017, 18:38
Juvenal, this is all good news!

I brought home a dozen from The Patch, and while they are great ugly brutes, I don't mind a bit!

Mrs Growster wasn't in the least bit interested, as she'd just prepared, de-skinned and arranged and frozen five big bags from the garden, and didn't want to look at a tomato again for several years...

I'll sort them tomorrow, and expect a huge fight!

I can't do any comparisons, as there is no blight on any of the allotments, or at home - thank goodness!
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: jaydig on August 19, 2017, 19:07
I apologise if I'm intruding on this thread, but just to say that last year I grew Crimson Crush, and was thrilled with the result.  Massive crops, and although they took a touch of blight, they grew through it and continued to produce until well into October.  This year, I have trialled the other blight resistant variety Mountain Magic.  Once again, massive crops of smaller tomatoes than Crimson Crush, about half as big again as a cherry tom.. Good flavour and texture and very early to ripen, even a little sooner than my greenhouse toms.  Having said this, they are now showing signs of blight.  Just a little here and there, and not many fruits affected, but I'll see if they manage to grow through it, and I'll suspend judgement until the end of the season.
I think next year I'll grow some of each.
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: victoria park on August 19, 2017, 21:14
Mine are harvesting very well too, with the plants absolutely blooming, apart from the one and only leaf out of fourteen plants that showed tell tale signs, see below. Other outside varieties are still producing, but definitely showing signs of blight, but hanging on in there with a bit of management. Won't last long past another damp period.

Growster, I'm already sold on the resistance of these tomatoes from last year, but what I'm interested in is your second generation seeds you saved. Are they producing acceptable tomatoes reasonably indistinguishable from the other CC seeds purchased this year ?
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: sunshineband on August 19, 2017, 22:21
The Gen2 Penguins are succumbing to blight now, whilst the F1 Crimson Crushes are going strong with lots of large fruits... sad but true.

Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: Growster... on August 20, 2017, 19:58
Victoria, they're turning into huge brutes, and while there are just a few trusses, some are absolutely fabulous!

There are some real cat-faced nasties as well, but as we freeze these, they get a good seeing to to chop out the black bits and also the hard insides.

I'm wondering - after a long discussion with Mrs Growster today, as I dissected a couple of pounds of the blighters, whether we should actually buy some new seed and grow them as nature intended, as some of them are so awful to look at, you wonder why we actually try all these experiments, but there you go! I probably will try and save some seed, but strangely enough, there aren't that many seeds to see amongst the stuff inside!

There are some perfectly shaped ones though, so perhaps just a few might be an idea for next year...

Maybe a dozen or two...

Perhaps this is what Heritage Growing is all about?
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: Growster... on August 20, 2017, 20:01
The Gen2 Penguins are succumbing to blight now, whilst the F1 Crimson Crushes are going strong with lots of large fruits... sad but true.

Sunny, is that down on the plots, or at home?

So far, there's no sign of blight here, but that can always change of course!
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: sunshineband on August 21, 2017, 10:24
The Gen2 Penguins are succumbing to blight now, whilst the F1 Crimson Crushes are going strong with lots of large fruits... sad but true.

Sunny, is that down on the plots, or at home?

So far, there's no sign of blight here, but that can always change of course!

Down on the plots  :( :( Even got it in the big tunnel too  >:(   Good test for the plants though, as if they really are blight resistant they'll show that now... or not!!
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: Growster... on August 27, 2017, 20:51
Spoke too soon...

We had seven plants (not CC) of varying quality left after all the others had been found homes, and I literally plonked them in on a spare couple of yards some way from the other toms.

They started well, went mad, produced seem quite good fruit, but fell to late blight a couple of days ago...RIP... (although I did nosh a handful of OK ones on the way to the tip, so they weren't wasted...)!

So it was back to the experiment bed. I'll try and explain the pics, which aren't that clear: -

Pic 1) These are CC 'throwbacks', i.e. they're not that fantastic, but hopefully usable.
Pic 2) CC again, before I gave them a good seeing to later on... They're all about half a pound and brutish, but very usable. (Gave them to chums who do organic, as they have never been sprayed with anything).
Pic 3) More CC. Clear and thriving.
Pic 4) Blight on a sacrificial Shirley, with a similar G. Delight next to it, also looking a bit glum. They're both in the middle of a clump of about twelve CC plants.

Lousy pics I know, but recorded for the sake of research...

But the main result is that the CC seem to be doing fine, well, up to lunchtime today! The stems all divided once, and became small tree trunks. The ones at home all did OK, but this year, the greenhouse didn't like the hot June, so any shaded plants elsewhere in the garden have done well - including a CC in each location.

Tough times for 'research' aren't they!
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: sunshineband on August 29, 2017, 08:51
Thanks for the pictures there Growster. That pretty much mirrors what we found too.

Our CCs are still thriving, and ripening fruit virtually daily, so next year I shall try a couple of the other resistant varieties as well I think
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: Growster... on August 29, 2017, 10:34
I apologise if I'm intruding on this thread, but just to say that last year I grew Crimson Crush, and was thrilled with the result.  Massive crops, and although they took a touch of blight, they grew through it and continued to produce until well into October.  This year, I have trialled the other blight resistant variety Mountain Magic.  Once again, massive crops of smaller tomatoes than Crimson Crush, about half as big again as a cherry tom.. Good flavour and texture and very early to ripen, even a little sooner than my greenhouse toms.  Having said this, they are now showing signs of blight.  Just a little here and there, and not many fruits affected, but I'll see if they manage to grow through it, and I'll suspend judgement until the end of the season.
I think next year I'll grow some of each.

No need to apologise, Jay - you're very welcome to bring your advice!

I'd like to try Mountain Magic now! Are they still OK?
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: Growster... on August 29, 2017, 10:37
Thanks for the pictures there Growster. That pretty much mirrors what we found too.

Our CCs are still thriving, and ripening fruit virtually daily, so next year I shall try a couple of the other resistant varieties as well I think

Thanks Sunny!

Just been down there today, and they're still thundering away, with one huge one which I will have to weigh on the bathroom scales (if we had any that is)!

Touch wood and whistle, no sign of blight on them, and we've had a Hutton every day this week. The others all went though...
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: jaydig on August 29, 2017, 14:20
Yes, Growster, the Mountain Magic are still going great guns, and producing loads of fruit.  One of the plants did seem to be affected slight by a bit of blight, but I trimmed almost all of the leaves off it, and it now seems to be growing on with no ill effects.  I've lost count of the pounds of tomatoes I've had from the eight plants I put in.
Next year I shall grow half Crimson Crush, and half Mountain Magic, as the tomatoes are very different from each other, in that the CC fruit tends to be quite large, and the Mountain Magic fruit is smaller - something between a cherry and a normal tomato.   These two are the only tomatoes that have ever given me a crop on the plot, as everything else I tried collapsed in black, blighted heaps before I'd even seen a ripe tomato.
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: victoria park on August 29, 2017, 17:24
Here's a pic of my crimson crush today. I too have had to pick a few bits off my plants to keep the blight at bay, but by and large they are doing extremely well. Lots of fruit picked and sauced away already. I think the thing I like about these blight resistant tomatoes is I know I'm going to get an outside crop whatever. There's blight all over our site and those that haven't sprayed have lost just about everything, and my outside sungolds have now succumbed.
But no blight on the CC fruit itself whatsoever and still plenty of unaffected leaves, and clean stems, which was my experience last year.
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: juvenal on August 29, 2017, 17:47
Crimson Crush continued.

With half the crop ripened and harvested and the other half well on the way I'm giving the thumbs up to CC, despite a few dark patches appearing on stems. I'm removing dodgy leaves as they appear. Considering almost no one else risks tomatoes on my allotments I've had my money's worth and more.

I'll certainly be growing CC next year.



'Four quid for just ten seeds?', I cried
Way back in winter's gloom
'What are they made of - solid gold?'
My curses filled the room

Yet now, my baskets filled with fruit
I praise those folk at Sutton's
Four quid for all these tommies?
Four quid is just shirt buttons!

Crimson Crush, you've done me proud,
The blight holds no more fear
I'll be eating damn tomatoes
Until Boxing Day next year!
 
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: Growster... on August 29, 2017, 20:14
Yes, Growster, the Mountain Magic are still going great guns, and producing loads of fruit.  One of the plants did seem to be affected slight by a bit of blight, but I trimmed almost all of the leaves off it, and it now seems to be growing on with no ill effects.  I've lost count of the pounds of tomatoes I've had from the eight plants I put in.
Next year I shall grow half Crimson Crush, and half Mountain Magic, as the tomatoes are very different from each other, in that the CC fruit tends to be quite large, and the Mountain Magic fruit is smaller - something between a cherry and a normal tomato.   These two are the only tomatoes that have ever given me a crop on the plot, as everything else I tried collapsed in black, blighted heaps before I'd even seen a ripe tomato.

Think we/you may have a result here, Jay.

I keep watching our mutated Ninja Crimson Crush, and they keep showing me these huge fruits on misshapen tree trunks with enormous leaves, and saying 'Help yourself'!

The flavour isn't fabulous, but the texture is great, and anyway, compare them with a bland tom from Tesco, and we're well in the lead!
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: Growster... on August 29, 2017, 20:22
Crimson Crush continued.

With half the crop ripened and harvested and the other half well on the way I'm giving the thumbs up to CC, despite a few dark patches appearing on stems. I'm removing dodgy leaves as they appear. Considering almost no one else risks tomatoes on my allotments I've had my money's worth and more.

I'll certainly be growing CC next year.



'Four quid for just ten seeds?', I cried
Way back in winter's gloom
'What are they made of - solid gold?'
My curses filled the room

Yet now, my baskets filled with fruit
I praise those folk at Sutton's
Four quid for all these tommies?
Four quid is just shirt buttons!

Crimson Crush, you've done me proud,
The blight holds no more fear
I'll be eating damn tomatoes
Until Boxing Day next year!
 

I'm so pleased to see a poetic inference to our lowly tom...

Toms are great
Toms are us
Toms just grow
Toms do it for us.
Yeah.

(With apologies to Dryden, Shelley, Shakespeare, Mrs Nose-Poultice from No 13, and anyone who knows me...;0)

Juvenal, you've just started a marvellous new thread, and my rather innovative yet - maybe - conservative, thoughtful intervention has started to unleash the proactive rhymes from yesteryear, when all we ever did was...(SHADDUP GROWSTER, THAT'S ENOUGH...) Ed.
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: Growster... on September 16, 2017, 12:00
Just to keep the subject wandering along in a daze, the CC down on the Patch have shown up to be mainly big round fruits, but there's a strain of about three out of the dozen or so, which have cat-faced! The blighted plants immediately touching them still have some good fruit, but of course, it's getting late in the day now, so the panic's over.

One anomaly has cropped up though, in that I picked two bigguns from different plants, and one didn't have any seeds at all! The other had some great fleshy bits, loads of seeds and hardly any white inside, so Mumofstig's comment some time ago, about mutation continuing in different ways is absolutely spot on.

The CC plants are looking a bit tired now, but still no sign of blight...

I suppose that this points to a way of getting a crop is to plant lots of them, expect some failures, get a few cats, but have a decent crop in the end. That's if you have the room of course, and we luckily do on The Patch, and various spots at home, where they all raced away...
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: jaydig on September 16, 2017, 18:21
Another four pounds of Mountain Magic picked today.  Strangely, on some of the trusses, there can be just one tomato showing signs of blight, but every other fruit is totally unaffected. 
Definitely growing both Crimson Crush and Mountain Magic next year.  I'm even wondering if it's worth bothering with greenhouse tomatoes at all, other than perhaps to grow some green, stripey, or other different coloured or flavoured varieties, and grow the ordinary toms on the plot.
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: victoria park on September 16, 2017, 19:50
The last week or two have certainly taken their toll. All other outside toms long gone to blight, and this last 4 or 5 days the crimson crush plants have looked decidedly stricken. However, the fruits soldier on regardless, and I have only lost 10% to blight. The picture below shows the start of the blight on the leaves, but it has got a lot worse.

Still, it doesn't matter, because yet again, in a real bad blight year, my crimson crush are still producing fruit.
I wouldn't say they were a great salad tomato, with only 30% suitable for that purpose. Tasty enough, but best for sauces frozen with basil etc. Very pleased yet again, but the plants have taken a hit in the last few days. I suspect they'll perk up again once there's a couple of days dry weather. Even my Autumn raspberries this year have suffered from the wet with a lot of mould.
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: juvenal on September 16, 2017, 21:34
Big thumbs up to Crimson Crush from me. The blight has moved in now, but I secured 95% of the ripened crop before it hit.

Result!!
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: Growster... on September 17, 2017, 06:56
Big thumbs up to Crimson Crush from me. The blight has moved in now, but I secured 95% of the ripened crop before it hit.

Result!!

Sums up the whole issue, Juvenal!

Thank you!
Title: Re: The Great Crimson Crush Experiment - year two...
Post by: Growster... on September 20, 2017, 05:46
Just before 'The Great CC Experiment' squeaks and bangs to a timely halt, here is probably the last pic worth recording the fact that about 90% of the CC have bounded away like red gazelles, while their few bedfellows (watch it G!), 'Country Taste', 'Shirley' and 'Gardeners Delight', can be seen in total blighted disarray now!

As predicted, some of the original 23 plants succumbed to terminal 'catsface', one never even got going at all), so we finished up with 15 plants here on The Patch, 11 CC, one GD, one Shirley and 2 CT. The mutation took care of the failures, but the rest of them are still bombing away thank goodness!

Oddities include one with absolutely no seed inside, (a Jaffa), and they all forked once at precisely the same point, low down on the stem. I gave up trying to tame them and just let them loose, hence the rather haphazard frame and tying in! As a chum who is a regular recipient of anything we can give away prefers organic toms, this year, we bit the bullet and didn't use any chemicals on them at all, just comfrey, nettle and 6X liquid - 'Growsterpong'... It was also part of 'The Great Experiment' to try not to affect the effect of blight...

Everyone else on all the plots were blighted, including a friend very close by who planted 18 different varieties, some heritage and some standard.. I'd given him a CC from last year's crop, and guess what, his three CC plants are just romping away still, while the rest have just about died a death!

And also, Jaydig, his 'Mountain Magic' plant is still in perfect nick too, which proves your point as well! He's given me one for next year, and maybe we'll try all this again...