Allotment Gardening Advice Help Chat
Growing => Grow Your Own => Topic started by: Growster... on November 28, 2011, 06:58
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We planted a row of 'Belstar' calabrese back in late August, hoping it might last over the winter if the weather stayed reasonably fine.
The heads are forming nicely now, and we had the first one yesterday. The others are catching up as well (despite the clouds of whitefly).
I've never grown this variety before, and it says on the website (we bought the plants from a local nursery), that 'Belstar' is actually an Autumn producing plant.
As they might get clobbered with frost, snow, frogs etc from now on, is it best to take off the heads now, and wait for the side shoots, or just carry on with a regular cropping each few days?
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I would cut the main, big heads in their prime and take the side shoots as they appear. They will keep cropping if you keep cutting. They don't stay in good condition, same as with caulis, so I'd eat them. Lucky you :D
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I would cut the main, big heads in their prime and take the side shoots as they appear. They will keep cropping if you keep cutting. They don't stay in good condition, same as with caulis, so I'd eat them. Lucky you :D
Many thanks CQ, it makes sense doesn't it, and they also look their best when they're smaller too...!
The side shoots presumably have a bit of shelter from the leaves too.
(After the heavy frost we had last night, I'm hoping the whitefly took a hammering...)
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your making me envious growster......ime still trying to grow a crop of calabrese then there's the white fly i am yet to find a spray to get rid of these dam pest's
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your making me envious growster......ime still trying to grow a crop of calabrese then there's the white fly i am yet to find a spray to get rid of these dam pest's
They're all over the place Rowlands! Sometimes the plot looks like one of those little glass bottles with a snowman and swirling snowflakes swishing around when you shake it...
Mrs Growster has instructed me to cut the calabrese heads into smaller pieces, when we can at least stick them in salty water for the final demise of the dreaded flies!
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for the past couple of weeks are allotment looks like where having a snow storm with them one of old boys told me to add a drop of viniger/salt to the water when you wash your veg kills them must be the acid ? :)
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I just ignore them on the veg as they don't seem to do any damage. I like to cover my most at risk crops with Enviromesh as I don't spray.
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I just ignore them on the veg as they don't seem to do any damage. I like to cover my most at risk crops with Enviromesh as I don't spray.
CQ, I'd love to do that, but at £12 a pop, it's prohibitive!
I'm the only bloke on the plots who doesn't seem to have a powered strimmer ... ;0)
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for the past couple of weeks are allotment looks like where having a snow storm with them one of old boys told me to add a drop of viniger/salt to the water when you wash your veg kills them must be the acid ? :)
We have the worst ever white fly explosion this year and every brassica is affected :tongue2:
Kale is the hardest to deal with so I put it in a large bowl of salted water, and weight the leaves down with a pan lid to make sure they are immersed, and leave it overnight or at least a few hours. The I wash them in cold running water.
Gets rid of most of them this way :D
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I buy pieces of Enviromesh as I can afford it. I get it by the metre and either a metre or two wide. I don't drink or smoke and buying this mesh is my only vice. Saves on pesticide! :D
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I find netting of any sort seems to encourage the foxes to play on my plot, which is a real problem at times, but............I'd rather be troubled by whitefly than by foxes, anyday ::)
I do the soaking thing as well Sunshine :)
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I splashed out on 50m of enviromesh which was on special offer and hope it will last 10 years which should be cheaper than replacing fleece every couple of years...but it hasn't stopped my brassicas being covered with whitefly dandruff. I can't believe they're getting through the mesh so they most be getting in under the edges. It did keep the butterflies away though. Still getting regular pickings of sideshoots from my calabrese which first headed in August so I agree with compostqueen's advice.
I just ignore them on the veg as they don't seem to do any damage. I like to cover my most at risk crops with Enviromesh as I don't spray.
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Thanks Allotmentor, they're useful figures to work on, and I suppose that the mesh is an investment, like any other tool, etc!
Washing the whitefly seems to take ages, (as KC says) so we may put it on an economy wash with a mug or Aeriel, and do it overnight on a low heat...;0)
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Thanks Allotmentor, they're useful figures to work on, and I suppose that the mesh is an investment, like any other tool, etc!
Washing the whitefly seems to take ages, (as KC says) so we may put it on an economy wash with a mug or Aeriel, and do it overnight on a low heat...;0)
Would be well cooked in the morning I guess :lol:
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I reckon we need a recipe book for washing machines KC!
Could be a new trend! Think of the recipes!
I feel another post coming on - will sleep on it...
;0)
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it looks like there's not much one can do to get rid of these blighters but ime not giving upon this yet >:(
i suppose we need to understand the environment that they breed and survive in i know in the greenhouse it has a lot to do with air circulation because they seem to multiply if plants are packed to close together :unsure:
and once you get white fly infestation you have to get on top of it quickly i found if i washed the white fly off with plant sprayer that had a bit of pressure with it and without drowning the plants and kept doing this i eventually got rid of them :happy:
but off-cause outside on the Lottie is another thing so ime going to shop around to find out more how other people cope with these pest's and what they use as a deterrent so i can pass it on to others :)
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The whitefly that you get on tomatoes and peppers in the greenhouse are a different kind to the ones you get on brassicas.
I find it easy to discourage the greenhouse ones by growing lots of marigolds inside.
The ones outside have a waxy coating which resists sprays of water, or pesticide................it's this coating that makes it difficult to clean the crops in the kitchen as well >:(
Insecticidal soap (an organic spray) does work if used often enough, but the shop bought ones can be quite expensive.
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Provamel bug killer does get rid of them but it work out quite expensive to keep treating all brassicas. I have kept it of my cauli plants with it (I only have twelve) as I really can't bear the thought of curds with whitefly goo on them
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Provamel bug killer does get rid of them but it work out quite expensive to keep treating all brassicas. I have kept it of my cauli plants with it (I only have twelve) as I really can't bear the thought of curds with whitefly goo on them
And you have to take note of what it says on the label for maximum number of applications per crop too.
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I reckon we need a recipe book for washing machines KC!
Could be a new trend! Think of the recipes!
I feel another post coming on - will sleep on it...
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I don't know about washing machines but I know you can cook in the dishwasher(no tablet though)& I think there was a book
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I feel a 'Gurgle' coming on Snow...
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I've definitely had salmon cooked in the dishwasher at a friend's house because she didn't have a big enough pan. Would it work with globe artichokes do you think? We can only ever get two in a pan at once but have a big family. They might end up tasting a bit salty though? I'll try and track down that book...
I don't know about washing machines but I know you can cook in the dishwasher(no tablet though)& I think there was a book
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