Allotment Gardening Advice Help Chat
Poultry and Pets => The Hen House => Topic started by: pepsi100 on October 30, 2013, 00:01
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I have been buying pellets with Flubenvet already in it, been on it for 2 months now
A couple of my birds has been showing the signs of gape worm, (neck stretching, sort of yawning and a rattle when she breathes)
Do I buy Flubenvet and put more in the food ?
Can they be overdosed with it ?
Is there a way of getting a liquid to put in the water ?
I have been putting garlic in their water, just to see if it helps
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I understand the worms can live in the soil for a long time, is there a disinfectant I can use to kill the worms ?
I have beeen using Jeyes fluid in a watering can, I also use that to wash out the hen house (one capful to a gallon of water)
I dig the ground over as often as the weather allows, they are cleaned out every day (all the poo washed out)
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Is Verm-X Pellets or liquid okay as a alternative ?
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The feed with the Flubenvet added is not meant to be fed continually! Yes they can be overdosed.
Vermex is not proven to be effective for worming. You may wish to use it as a preventative but this is not guaranteed. :)
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They only sell the pellets with the flubenvet in it now
They have been on it for 4 bags now (about a month or so)
Okay I shall rule out the verm X
What shall I do if the hen does have this gape worm then ?
Will the flubenvet in the feed clear it up ?
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They should not be on the flubenvet all the time pepsi, it will probably end up not being effective like taking too many antibiotics. You would be better finding another supplier for your feed. The feed without the flubenvet is cheaper so even if you have to travel further to get it that should work out cheaper.
All poultry stretch their necks when they are transferring the food from their crop to the gizzard. Could it be that they are doing? If not I would suspect some sort of a blockage and the rattling could be a respiratory infection. If you take one of your hens to the vets for a diagnosis they will probably prescribe something for all of them. The coming winter will be difficult for them to cope if they are not in good health so best to find out the cause and get treatment for them. :)
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Oh, well I'll gather up 2 of them and take a trip to see the vet
I wonder if this flubenvet has had an adverse affect on them ?
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The vet might be able to tell you if giving them the flubenvet pellets for so long will have done any damage. Let us know how you get on pepsi. :)
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Apparently not, he said only thing to do is wait and see,
The bird I took to him, he said is in a poorly way with a chest infection, I have to treat all of them with Baytril, an antibiotic, 1.2 mil per 3 liters of water
He also gave him/her an injection
(I call him/her because I am not sure if it is either, looks like a cock, but sits on eggs)
I had to give it a shower, it really stank, so it will stay in tonight until completely dried off
So its just time now >:(
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The injection will probably be steroids, one of mine has had that and then baytril which I had to give her in a syringe. You can use a hairdryer on a low setting to help to dry him/her off. If the smell persists I would recommend bathing it in luke warm tea. You will have to do it every day or so until the smell goes.
I hope it makes a good recovery. :)
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Not really sure what the injection was
I just dumped him/her in the shower, no flapping, no fuss, I think he/she enjoyed it, still a bit whiffy though :(
His/her crop is empty, I have seen it feeding, I have put flubenvet free pellets in the box, but shows no interest in them at all
Still this raspy noise from him/her
The vet said its a case of wait and see about the flubenvet feed
I hope him/her pulls through because if it is a cockerel, I want the eggs :) and we have had it from an egg
And on about eggs, I dont think my postman will be happy, no eggs for a week >:(
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Add some boiled water to the pellets and let them cool before offering to the bird. They usually like them and they are getting food and water at the same time so is good for them when they are under the weather.
Do try the tea bath tomorrow as it really does work.
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I have lots of different kinds of tea (well the wife has) black, green, herbal, you name it we got it (even altitude sickness tea)
I got layers mash, I make their porridge with that in the mornings, I'll try that, its usually a favourite for them :)
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Good luck pepsi. :)
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What's tea bath? How does it work what do u do?
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He/she made it through the night, he/she wouldnt eat though, but them I remembered about their favourite food, cauliflower, so I cut off a couple of florets and put that in there
It worked, even eating the mash poridge I put in there last night (I mixed in a little honey as well
There is no raspy noise any more as he/she breathes, not much poo in the box either thouigh, (but understandable if he/she hasnt been eating)
Have to give hi/her this tea bath later, though (I assume I ddont put milk and sugar in it ? :) )
The water with this BAYTRIL goes out this morning (I have still put garlic in the water that cant hurt can it ?)
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That is good news pepsi, I hope he/she continues to improve. I don't know about the garlic, you could always make a call to the vet checking.
What's tea bath? How does it work what do u do?
Just infuse ordinary tea and leave it to cool, use it luke warm to bath the bird. It has antioxidant and antibacterial properties which is really good for getting rid of unwanted odours. You do have to do the treatment a few times and it can temporarily affect the colour of the feathers but is a nice gentle treatment.
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I have never seen a bird make such a fast recovery, he/she is eating and a lot, ate over 300 grams of food, a mix of pellets and mash, cauliflower, pumpkin, mashed up with a dollop of honey and still eating :-)
The wife had a look at him/her this morning at 4am, she left me a note before going to work, saying it was alive, but didn’t think it would last the day, she got a surprise when she came home, alive and kicking, no rasp when he/she breathes, what a change from yesterday
I put a small clove of garlic in her/his water, it ate it :-(
Another shower and a black tea bath tonight, I'll keep him/her in tonight, and then see about letting him/her join the rest tomorrow
(The vet said the garlic can’t hurt, it’s a vegetable, but he had never heard of putting it in their water) :-)
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that sounds encouraging - fingers crossed x
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That is good news, it probably was the injection (steroid or antibiotics) that gives them a better chance of recovery. I hope IT :lol: continues to recover at this rapid rate and you manage to get rid of the odour. ;)
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It was shower time last night, gave him/her a good wash with baby shampoo, then rinsed with a bucket of tea, as a rinse, it sems to have worked
Kept him/her in over night, this morning put him/her outside, went straight to the hen house door, couldnt wait to join the rest of them, straight in, never even looked back :(
If it was the injection or the shower or just being indors for a couple of nights, something worked :)
I put the BAYTRIL in the water (2nd day today) and the poo seems to be pretty uniform now, none of the runny yellow muck, while not the best thing to sort through, there were no worms and it all looks the same (even though there are a multitude of breeds)
I still have the flubenvet pellets, so I'll just give it to them once a month (a pot of feed lasts a day)
Do you think that will be okay ?
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Glad your mystery chicken is recovering :)
The flubenvet pellets are the same as adding flubenvet to your own feed to make a medicated version, so you need to feed them continuously for 7 days, every time you worm your birds. That would be every 4-6 months.
As yours have has been treated non-stop for a month, I would transfer the flubenvet pellets to a plastic container and seal it, ready for use next time you worm. Or you could swap them for normal pellets with someone ready to worm their birds :)
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Just to answer another of your questions as ANHBUC offers great advice about flubenvet is the ground.
Yes there is a few products on the market, personally I swear by Stalosan F and I buy the larger 25kg sack.
This will last me about a year or so covering the runs once a week, it will kill off most the worms etc at various levels of life. Smells sweet too. I also sprinkle in the coop before fresh bedding is in place.
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Never heard of this Stalosan F stuff, any ideas where I could get it ?
You just sprinkle it on the earth and it kills any worms in the ground ?
Sounds a great idea
I just dig the ground over, and then shut them in for a day and spray the earth with Jetes fluid, then dig it over again
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You can buy at from various places on the net or see if you have a agriculture type shop (thats where mine comes from) thats local and will stock, I know a few members on here use it.
Yep sprinkle over the ground so its all covered with a light covering. I tend to give mine a turning over once a month when its dry.
My 25kg bag is about £30 but as I said it will last me just over a year or so.
Here is the pdf link to it..
http://www.protekta.ca/pdfs/stalosan_summary.pdf
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Stalosan F is a much safer option than pouring Jeyes fluid on the ground. It breaks down naturally as well. i used it for all my stock including horses :)
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Been through this myself recently. I went on Amazon and bought a little box of Flubenvet which I then added to their normal food for 7 days. My food didn't have any additional Flubenvet in, just what I added for 7 days. I am going to worm mine again in the spring and then the autumn each year. I thought mine had got gape worm but the worms when they came away were the wrong colour (white). Gape worms are red I think. The instructions on Flubenvet are quite specific and I had to complete a questionnaire from the supplier before they would even send it to me because they worry about the chickens being given too much and it affecting their eggs. As long as you give the correct dose, there is no need for egg withdrawal but if you over do it, that would affect them. Good luck and I hope you get it sorted.
Jacqui
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Mine dont seem to have suffered any lasting harm, they are all fine now, but its still rather worrying that this Flubenvet ca be bought from Peets are us and the staff know nothing about it
That god we got this forum to find stuff out :)