Will conference pears make good perry?

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Will conference pears make good perry?
« on: October 09, 2012, 16:32 »
Hello, on my allotment I have a conference pear tree, bit late for this year but i was wondering about making some perry with them next year (not big on eating them but love perry!) i have read that you should use special pears to get best results, but was wondering if anyone has had good results with conference?

Any advice appriciated,
Regards, Joe

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Re: Will conference pears make good perry?
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2012, 16:53 »
3rd paragraph appears to say you can.

http://www.saga.co.uk/lifestyle/food/drinks/perry-pear-cider.aspx

However it also refers to "Proper" perry, so I suspect that what would be produced would be too fruity/floral or whatever to be "Proper".

Mind you reading what they say about a perry pear you would need a garden shredder to chop one up, never mind get juice from it.

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Re: Will conference pears make good perry?
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2012, 17:27 »
Thank you :) luckily i have a shredder!

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Re: Will conference pears make good perry?
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2012, 12:47 »
You will be able to make "a" perry from them however they are desert pears and lack a couple of things that are essential for good perry.

I make cider from commercial "from concentrate" apple juice and it has the same problem as it is made from desert apples.

What you need to do is alter the chemical profile of your juice to be more like a perry pear.

For apples that means adding tannin and malic acid - I imagine it'll be exactly the same for pears.

The tannin gives the backbone to your cider/perry, without it your brew will be very thin and insipid.  I use wine tannin from my local homebrew shop but you could just brew up a ludicrous mug of tea with half a dozen teabags...

The malic acid is the interesting one, this gives the "sour" to sour and bittersour apples used in cider making - again, I assume the same is true of pears.

If you get it right, you will lower the pH of the juice into the range where, after the yeast does it's job, a bacterium called Lactobacillus takes over converting the malic acid to lactic acid which is far milder and as a by product produces chemicals called esters which give you that "proper cider" flavour.

Lactobacillus is everywhere so getting your brew innoculated shouldn't be too hard but the most robust way is to culture and use the yeast from Westons Old Rosie.  You could of course just pitch dried cider or champagne yeast let it ferment, then chuck in the dregs from a bottle of Old Rosie once the initial fermentation is finished.

The last thing you need is time, loads and loads of time.  Ciders need to be aged for a very long time.  Traditionally this would be over the entire winter.  I'll be getting my cider on in the next week or two, after initial fermentation (two or three weeks) I'll rack all 5 gallons to a sterilised fermenting vessel and there it will stay in the cold, under airlock, until May or early June before bottling.

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Re: Will conference pears make good perry?
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2012, 13:54 »
Wow what a in depth response, thank you! Sounds like an interesting challenge, i might have to do some more homebrewing while i wait for my fruit to come through! I will keep what you said in mind!

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Re: Will conference pears make good perry?
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2012, 14:16 »
:)  No worries. 

It might be worth practising with a juice cider over this winter just to get into the swing of it?   Apart from anything else, it's hilarious going through the checkout at Lidl with 23l of apple juice in your trolley!  :lol:

The bog basic recipe is:

23l from concentrate 100% apple juice (check to make sure no preservatives)
5 tsp wine tannin
5 tsp malic acid
5 tsp pectolase (pectic enzyme - helps clear the cider)
5 tsp yeast nutrient (apple juice doesn't have a lot of the essential chemistry that yeast like)
1 pkt cider or champagne yeast (or an old rosie culture)

Chuck in all in your fermenter seal it up, ferment it down, rack it and leave until late spring, early summer.

Oh, if you do get Lactobacillus working it looks really bad!!  A thick wrinkly creamy white scum on the top - don't worry about it.

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Re: Will conference pears make good perry?
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2013, 13:03 »
I still keep meaning to try that!

(Hi Callum, small world...)

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Re: Will conference pears make good perry?
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2013, 09:32 »
I still keep meaning to try that!

(Hi Callum, small world...)

Hi guys, it really is.
Andyhull here too as stompy  :lol:

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Re: Will conference pears make good perry?
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2013, 16:45 »

Hi  calumscott... BrotherMalice ...&... stompy....tis indeed a small world....Dieseljockey here, looks like a small group of THBF are over here.. :lol:
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Re: Will conference pears make good perry?
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2013, 19:50 »
Hello all! *waves from THBF*

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Capt Zero

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Re: Will conference pears make good perry?
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2013, 20:09 »

Hi Jonewer...

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Re: Will conference pears make good perry?
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2013, 20:50 »
Can you all do funny handshakes as well  :lol:
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Re: Will conference pears make good perry?
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2013, 08:05 »

Depends how many pints we've had....Snowdrops...


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