Allotment Gardening Advice Help Chat
Chatting => Chatting on the Plot => Topic started by: mumofstig on January 04, 2020, 10:38
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Proposals include this
waste materials that are prohibited from being brought on site include:
Vegetation and garden waste brought from an external source
Food waste
Composting:
Only non-diseased garden waste created on the allotment site can be used in compost bins. Compost bins should be free of any other waste.
at the moment all my lawn mowings and veg peelings go in the daleks on the plot - so this makes no sense at all to me. Anyone else have this rule?
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No sense to that. All my grass and compostable waste from home goes in the compost heap on my plot. We do have the usual rule of no cooked food or meat products allowed but that is it.
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No sense to that. All my grass and compostable waste from home goes in the compost heap on my plot. We do have the usual rule of no cooked food or meat products allowed but that is it.
Seconding, does the person who made this up not understand about how composting works? Are they an actual plot holder or council worker who doesn't know about allotments? If you bringing your lawn clippings up hasn't caused a problem before then what has changed? Are they worried about rats or introduced pests? Get them to explain and vindicate their reasons and challenge them. If rats or mice are a problem then why prove your the source of the problem? Why not tell you about it since Wiel's disease is a thing and ask you to trap them or let them into trap them?
To answer your question we weren't told our allotment's rules. Other than being told that the man in charge doesn't like it when don't cultivate your plot and will take it off you if you don't. We get no support, no manure deliveries, there's no shop and we're left to it. Except for the vandal thief plot holder. I'd like them to leave us to it since we can't afford the high fences and padlocks of some of the other plot holders have installed.
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I can sort of understand the no importation of vegetation and garden waste from another source - it's preventing people bringing in disease from elsewhere or - as we have on my site - someone who I think is a professional gardener who puts their business waste on the plot (resulting in little actual cultivation room).
I would also agree with eblana's post about not bringing on cooked or meat waste, in order to prevent rats.
But it's daft to prevent you from bringing in peelings etc As Eblana says, time for some questions to understand the rationale behind the new T&Cs, and to challenge them appropriately.
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M O S, just ask you Council what they do with there grass clipings in the sumer, and there fallen leaves in the
winter,
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I would quietly ignore the new rules and carry on as you have. I can see them wanting to have something in place to prevent contractors using plots as dumping grounds for trade waste, but are they really going to frisk everyone at the gate, in case you are smuggling in a carrier bag of peelings :lol:
So long as you are not causing any bother to anyone else, who will care ;)
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I agree with you, but as site rep :blush: I feel I should try to reason with them first ::) Meeting with the council in a couple of weeks, but only got the draft for the new contracts a little while ago...
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are they shared compost bins? they might lie to suggest wiring the bottoms to stop rats as nothing stops mice.
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Our rules just state not to bring waste on that is you can't compost.
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I think I’d be going down the route about recycling waste, all councils are supposed to be seen to getting the rates of recycling up & less going in to landfill & not all allotment holders will be able to compost at home
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I agree with you, but as site rep :blush: I feel I should try to reason with them first ::) Meeting with the council in a couple of weeks, but only got the draft for the new contracts a little while ago...
Yes I know you are a site rep. Sorry I was being a bit facetious, but I do think they may be rules that will be applied on a common sense basis, rather than being monitored closely. If you asked the question about recycling and people bringing a few bits from home, they may well smile and nod, even if they won't say it on record.
If there are problems on other sites I can see them bringing in a rule and then it is a real challenge to decide where you draw the line.
Someone might be dumping food waste from a catering business in plot compost bins and attracting rats. Someone else might be filling theirs with garden waste from a business. It may even be a move to stop people dodging the charges for green bin collection by using the general dumping ground at the site. The difficulty would be allowing some stuff in. but then not ending up in long drawn out arguments with those people.
If your site does not have these issues, I can see the council bods happily ignoring the compost bins there. Even on a site where they have problems, I am sure if you deposited stuff in your bins discreetly and they were being managed in some sort of decent order, no-one would check any further into it :)
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I've sent of an email detailing the problems as I see them, and now wait to see what they say at the meeting. I can understand the rules we already had about not bringing cooked food waste and bones etc onto site - but the new rules do seem incredibly restrictive. We shall see...
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Have read this with interest, first thought was surely most of the veg peelings originated from the plot in the first place and how would they be able to tell the odd supermarket peelings from plot ones ?
My guess is this is based on them having trouble with non-veg waste.
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Except for the vandal thief plot holder. I'd like them to leave us to it since we can't afford the high fences and padlocks of some of the other plot holders have installed.
You see that, jinked. We were up today and the thieving hound was in, tried to get into our padlocked shed, stole our mushroom logs, tools (spade and fork) and the Rotavator. Someone was stealing veg out of the two plots next to ours as well.
Husband is up with the police now since it wasn't our rotavator, it was the last plot holder's and we don't want to be accused of stealing it. They must have only just been away with it because you can see the marks of where it dug up the path as clear as day... ;)
Good job I have photos of it and it's registration numbers being in the shed on our plot this summer. 8)
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I think Snows has hit it on the head...
T.Wells (and Tonbridge), are all over the place for 'recycling', although the new crowd were pretty useless at the start, forgetting rounds/days, leaving bins all over the place etc, and to be fair to some of the guys on the rounds, this new idea of 'recycling' old food is pretty nasty!
The landfill just outside T.Wells, at High Brooms, was once a haven for seagulls, and I always felt concerned for the poor bloke on the bulldozer, eternally flattening the place, but the area is now quite attractive, having been capped and planted.
I know most (some) of the reasons why landfill isn't a nice idea, but the 'letter of the law' gets all the councils off the hook as far as waste disposal is concerned, with 'targets' etc, and I'm afraid that will filter down to tiny objectives for important places like allotments etc!
As common sense dictates, just carry on as normal, as unless a Compost Heap Universal Municipal Policeperson (CHUMP) is employed to check every heap in the borough, you've nothing really to worry about!
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Apparently, all householders have a duty of care to dispose of waste according to gov rules. This means composting of grass cuttings etc must be done within your own boundaries and waste food (which includes peelings) must go to the official site..... daft innit? I'm sure government weren't really worried about allotment compost bins when that was written - but, as we know, rules are rules and have to be followed to the umpteenth degree :lol: :lol:
:mellow:
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Hmm rather I hadn’t read that as I take my cooked food waste to the plot & put it in my Green Johanna sealed bin minus bones after having to sieve them all out one time upon emptying it. This was just after Richard 3rd had been reinterred (I live in Leicestershire :lol:) & my mum pointed out I could be sieving them out for the next 500 years ... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
All my garden waste & kitchen peelings go to the plot & will continue to do so as I have 5 1mx1m x 1 m compost bins & they needed feeding regularly :D. I hope our council doesn’t come up with these terms etc.
There must be some reason they’ve introduced it & I do hope you find out why & keep us updated. As the site rep you would think they’d discuss this sort of thing with you prior to changing things wouldn’t you?
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Well, knowing our site rep, this rule would never be upheld on our site, providing we're not attracting rats with cooked waste. The amount of grass clippings he brings is enormous!
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Just checked TWBC website and here's all they say about food waste: -
What happens to the collected food waste?
The food waste is taken to a local facility where it is composted using a natural process, which means it is safe to use as a soil improver on local farmers' fields. If you already compost at home, please continue to do so. You can use your food waste collections for any food that you do not want to compost yourself.
So what's the difference between composting at home, or composting on your allotment?
Answers on a Waitrose compostible bag, not to be confused with a similar-looking one from Twongos or Borrisons, Mazda or Widl (?), which won't compost for a hundred years or so, and will clog up the environment even more than it does now!
I can imagine all our hard-working farmers doing high kicks when a pile of that sort of stuff arrives to cheers from the environmentalists and happy bunnies prancing all around - with plastic in their teeth...
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daft innit? I'm sure government weren't really worried about allotment compost bins when that was written - but, as we know, rules are rules and have to be followed to the umpteenth degree :lol: :lol:
:mellow:
:lol: Yeah right. I'll be lying awake at night worrying about that rule ;)
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So what's the difference between composting at home, or composting on your allotment?
Because, obviously as a humble householder, you do not have the necessary permit/registration to transport the waste materials you wish to compost..
mwahahaha!
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So what's the difference between composting at home, or composting on your allotment?
Because, obviously as a humble householder, you do not have the necessary permit/registration to transport the waste materials you wish to compost..
mwahahaha!
By that logic surely we're not permitted to take any of our waste to the tip and it must be taken a licensed waste carrier? A can of worms is being opened!
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By that logic surely we're not permitted to take any of our waste to the tip and it must be taken a licensed waste carrier? A can of worms is being opened!
Tell me about it - I've given up discussing it with them as I was getting nowhere ::)
Think I'll lock this now before I say something I shouldn't ..