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Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: ditchdigger on December 07, 2007, 20:21
Has anybody grown SARPO and if so any comments
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: gobs on December 07, 2007, 20:25
Yes a lot of us grown Sarpo and it was good reports all around. :D
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: WG. on December 07, 2007, 20:28
Quote from: "gobs"
Yes a lot of us grown Sarpo and it was good reports all around. :D
And that concludes the voting from Hungary ...
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: mkhenry on December 07, 2007, 20:30
Quote from: "gobs"
Yes a lot of us grown Sarpo and it was good reports all around. :D


One person did post that they had very little flavour.  :!:
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: ditchdigger on December 07, 2007, 20:37
probably give em a try this year. we did fancy trying kennebec or/and red pontiac, but can only find em abroad, and none will post to here.
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: gobs on December 07, 2007, 20:39
Quote from: "WG."
Quote from: "gobs"
Yes a lot of us grown Sarpo and it was good reports all around. :D
And that concludes the voting from Hungary ...


See posts also by DD and John.

I'm not paid for spreading the word about them, actually I don't,  I just answered the question  from the point of of view and knowledge I have.
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: Aunt Sally on December 07, 2007, 20:39
I have this link in our Handy Hints topic:

http://www.dundrynurseries.co.uk/plist.asp
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: WG. on December 07, 2007, 20:40
Quote from: "gobs"
Quote from: "WG."
Quote from: "gobs"
Yes a lot of us grown Sarpo and it was good reports all around. :D
And that concludes the voting from Hungary ...


See posts also by DD and John.

I'm not paid for spreading the word about them, actually I don't,  I just answered the question  from the point of of view and knowledge I have.
Only teasing - they are the only Hungarian tatty I know  :D
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: gobs on December 07, 2007, 20:41
Quote from: "mkhenry"
Quote from: "gobs"
Yes a lot of us grown Sarpo and it was good reports all around. :D


One person did post that they had very little flavour.  :!:


They are wrong. We had a discussion about this back with DD. Fair to say there are tastier pots but that's about it they are not bad at all.
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: mkhenry on December 07, 2007, 21:12
Quote from: "gobs"
Quote from: "mkhenry"
Quote from: "gobs"
Yes a lot of us grown Sarpo and it was good reports all around. :D


One person did post that they had very little flavour.  :!:


They are wrong. We had a discussion about this back with DD. Fair to say there are tastier pots but that's about it they are not bad at all.


One problem I had last year was trying to get hold of them.
TM let me and 100s of others down on delivery,keeping us waiting for over 6 weeks instead of 5 days.
Each time I contacted them I was lied to,and given a different excuse.  They also failed to respond to my polite Emails.  So I for one will not be giving TM another chance to let me down again.
As to the sarpo those that I did manage to grow(Water Problems ) I thought failed in the taste depatment against others such as King Edwards,and Pink fir apple.

But please remember that taste is very subjective,and what You like may or may not suit others.
I prefer GREAT taste and thats why I grow my own. I want the best not just OK spuds. So each to his own.At least you will get a crop when others fail. :lol:  :wink:
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: DD. on December 07, 2007, 22:08
They are also very slug & other nasties resistant, having quite a thick skin. (Crunch up nice when baked).

I appreciate the comments re taste, but I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of flavour so as not to get a crop full of holes!
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: Hampshire Hog on December 07, 2007, 22:15
Grew some sarpo this year did pretty well from my perspective. My toms had gone down with blight but the sarpo produced a good crop. Suggest you go to a "Potato day" if you want to get stock. More expensive than other spuds but held up well in a diabolical year for blight

Cheers HH :)
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: mkhenry on December 07, 2007, 22:31
Quote from: "Hampshire Hog"
Grew some sarpo this year did pretty well from my perspective. My toms had gone down with blight but the sarpo produced a good crop. Suggest you go to a "Potato day" if you want to get stock. More expensive than other spuds but held up well in a diabolical year for blight

Cheers HH :)


That sounds ok.  Can you now buy them elsewhere because last year TM stated that they were the only supplier in this country. :wink:
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: DD. on December 07, 2007, 22:39
Quote from: "mkhenry"


That sounds ok.  Can you now buy them elsewhere because last year TM stated that they were the only supplier in this country. :wink:


Our local nursery had them, but they probably got them from T & M, in which case the claim can be said to be true.

They were also the same price as the other spuds - £1 a kilo.
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: mkhenry on December 07, 2007, 22:40
Bye the bye I can think of 27 serious things that can affect potatoes,blight is by no means the worst,at least you can still eat the crop. but it is very very serious.
Some people suffered from Sprang last year so here is a timely reminder that it might be a good idea to avoid Pentland dell because it is the most susceptible to this.
Take note Richy. :wink:
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: gobs on December 08, 2007, 09:53
Quote from: "mkhenry"
Quote from: "Hampshire Hog"
Grew some sarpo this year did pretty well from my perspective. My toms had gone down with blight but the sarpo produced a good crop. Suggest you go to a "Potato day" if you want to get stock. More expensive than other spuds but held up well in a diabolical year for blight

Cheers HH :)


That sounds ok.  Can you now buy them elsewhere because last year TM stated that they were the only supplier in this country. :wink:


Alan Roman is the only other I know. Not cheap.
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: gobs on December 08, 2007, 09:59
Quote from: "WG."
Quote from: "gobs"
Quote from: "WG."
Quote from: "gobs"
Yes a lot of us grown Sarpo and it was good reports all around. :D
And that concludes the voting from Hungary ...


See posts also by DD and John.

I'm not paid for spreading the word about them, actually I don't,  I just answered the question  from the point of of view and knowledge I have.
Only teasing - they are the only Hungarian tatty I know  :D


They are not popular, only one that might be known is Rioja, please don't ask why is that classified as Hungarian. :roll:  :lol:
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: gobs on December 08, 2007, 12:39
Well, I found out now.

I thought I put this link on, just in case there are other sad individuals like myself, who like to browse plant databases. :oops:  :lol:

pots  (http://www.europotato.org/countryindex.php)
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: ditchdigger on December 08, 2007, 14:23
Quote from: "gobs"
Well, I found out now.

I thought I put this link on, just in case there are other sad individuals like myself, who like to browse plant databases. :oops:  :lol:

pots  (http://www.europotato.org/countryindex.php)
What a Fabulous link.  i'll certainly add that to my favourites!
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: gobs on December 08, 2007, 14:39
I'm glad you like it. Bit more info, than the seed merchant, innit?

If you link through to the national databases some of them will have pictures too.
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: DD. on December 08, 2007, 14:45
Don't forget......

TATERBASE!    (http://www.dundrynurseries.co.uk/plist.asp)
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: Rob the rake on December 08, 2007, 14:52
Great link Gobs, fully appreciated. By the way, I'm just as nerdy as you when it comes down to it, so you're not alone there!

DD, Have you ever grown Kestrel? They're not noted for blight resistance but they hold up well against slugs. Delicious too, especially as roasties.

For my money, the best way to avoid blight is to spray with Bordeaux mixture. I always spray, and my spuds have NEVER had blight.

Rob. :D
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: Rob the rake on December 08, 2007, 14:54
Blimey, they're coming thick and fast! Thanks,DD, that's top banana.

Rob. :D
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: ditchdigger on December 08, 2007, 15:15
Quote from: "DD."
Don't forget......

TATERBASE!    (http://www.dundrynurseries.co.uk/plist.asp)
might be me being thick, but doesn't look as though they post . looks like pick up only, or am i missing something.
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: gobs on December 08, 2007, 15:19
I can't even make it work.  :lol: Says click on the name ... :?
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: DD. on December 08, 2007, 15:28
Quote from: "gobs"
I can't even make it work.  :lol: Says click on the name ... :?


Werks for me!
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: DD. on December 08, 2007, 15:30
Quote from: "ditchdigger"
Quote from: "DD."
Don't forget......

TATERBASE!    (http://www.dundrynurseries.co.uk/plist.asp)
might be me being thick, but doesn't look as though they post . looks like pick up only, or am i missing something.


Pick up only - but gives you some idea if you can source locally, although I know one or two on here may disagree with their descriptions.
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: WG. on December 08, 2007, 15:30
Quote from: "gobs"
I can't even make it work.  :lol: Says click on the name ... :?
Try Internet Explorer.  It doesn't work in Firefox
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: DD. on December 08, 2007, 15:31
Quote from: "Rob the rake"

DD, Have you ever grown Kestrel? They're not noted for blight resistance but they hold up well against slugs. Delicious too, especially as roasties.



One of my staples!
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: Rob the rake on December 08, 2007, 15:35
It works perfectly in Opera. Great browser too!

Rob. :D
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: mkhenry on December 08, 2007, 16:00
Quote from: "DD."
Don't forget......

TATERBASE!    (http://www.dundrynurseries.co.uk/plist.asp)


Love this link because you can quickly check the main details of a spud and it will help you choose a varity that suits your plot.  IE eel worm.scab etc.  So thank you DD.
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: gobs on December 08, 2007, 16:41
Quote from: "WG."
Quote from: "gobs"
I can't even make it work.  :lol: Says click on the name ... :?
Try Internet Explorer.  It doesn't work in Firefox


Oh, not that again... :lol:  :lol: Thanks.
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: sweet nasturtium on December 08, 2007, 17:11
And don't forget next year is

International Year of the Potato

(I love saying that)
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: Rob the rake on December 08, 2007, 17:13
Let's hope we get some weather then, or it might be the year of the slug!

Rob. :D
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: DD. on December 08, 2007, 17:29
Quote from: "Rob the rake"
Let's hope we get some weather then, or it might be the year of the slug!

Rob. :D


We'll be OK - that was this year.
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: sweet nasturtium on December 08, 2007, 17:47
And on our site, we've had International Year of the Blight too.
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: theothermarg on December 08, 2007, 23:11
cor I love that tater base link
I have ordered sarpo spuds early this year for me it,s the diff between whole spuds or mush, taste dosn,t come into it I,v only grown maincrop once before (what a stink) this year even the early,s got it. so nothing ventured nothing gained
marg
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: Aunt Sally on December 08, 2007, 23:17
Aunty put a link to 'tatabase' on page 1 of this topic  :(

There is also a link to it in our useful info sticky  :D
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: WG. on December 08, 2007, 23:49
Quote from: "theothermarg"
taste dosn,t come into it
really?
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: DD. on December 09, 2007, 08:04
Quote from: "Aunt Sally"
Aunty put a link to 'tatabase' on page 1 of this topic  :(

There is also a link to it in our useful info sticky  :D


Didn't mean to tread on your toes, Aunty, but obviously big bold letters saying 'taterbase' is more eye catching! :roll:  :lol:
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: DD. on December 09, 2007, 08:07
Whilst I admit Sarpo don't have the greastest 'free standing' taste, they can be used as a base spud. There's all sorts of fillings you can use if you bake them, throw in a few herbs if you mash them etc. etc..
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: sweet nasturtium on December 09, 2007, 11:19
When you've finished bickering -  :wink:

I'm growing tatties for the first time ever, do you have any nuggets of information for clay soil on a slight slope?  Crop rotation only known from last year.  I thought I'd grow some for flavour and some for a good crop, I'm going to get my hands on a rotovator by hook or crook.  And yes I have looked at the Information section (thanks).
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: Selkie on December 09, 2007, 11:35
Quote from: "mkhenry"
blight is by no means the worst,at least you can still eat the crop


i'm no expert on growing potatoes but is this true? :?:
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: WG. on December 09, 2007, 11:41
Quote from: "rosemarycallsthegoddess"
Quote from: "mkhenry"
blight is by no means the worst,at least you can still eat the crop


i'm no expert on growing potatoes but is this true? :?:
Provided you eat them very quickly.  They rapidly peutrify in storage as several million of your countrymen and women can attest.
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: Selkie on December 09, 2007, 11:46
:? that's what i was thinking
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: theothermarg on December 09, 2007, 14:49
Quote from: "WG."
Quote from: "theothermarg"
taste dosn,t come into it
really?

when I said taste doen,t come in to it I meant I just want some potatoes , any potatoes tasty or not would be better then the load of stinking mush we get if we dare to sow maincrop potatoes! I would love to pick and choose between the vast amount of tasty potatoes but it just aint possible
cuz of the acursted blight that always sweeps through our site
what i,m saying is beggers can,t be choosers and anythings worth a try
marg
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: WG. on December 09, 2007, 17:16
Gotya now Marg.

Blight is treatable - follow Help links to find Blight in the Glossary  :D
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: gobs on December 09, 2007, 17:55
Would you think, WG, it was a safe action to take on tomatoes, where it's unavoidable to spray the fruit as well?
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: penance on December 09, 2007, 17:58
theothermarg,
I dont think it is just your site, it is Bristol!
Lost all our toms and spuds this year the blight.
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: DD. on December 09, 2007, 18:02
Ditto
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: WG. on December 09, 2007, 18:23
Quote from: "gobs"
Would you think, WG, it was a safe action to take on tomatoes, where it's unavoidable to spray the fruit as well?
I assume you are meaning the organic technique of foliar feeding?

IMHO, you are doing no more than what rain splashes and/or bird droppings are doing anyway.  I would always recommend washing tomatoes before you eat them regardless.  So, yes, I'd suggest it is safe for tomatoes too.
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: gobs on December 09, 2007, 18:24
Thanks, makes sense that does.
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: sweet nasturtium on December 09, 2007, 22:09
WG thanks for the reference to blight in the glossary.  Very helpful to understand what it actually is.  

Do you remember the aspirin thread - did we decide it was usable on potatoes - the thread focused on tomatoes mainly, but they're the same family are they not?
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: WG. on December 09, 2007, 22:16
Quote from: "sweet nasturtium"
they're the same family are they not?
They are indeed.  Any comments from the aspirin-camp? & I'll be happy to update the Glossary with a link or two.
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: sweet nasturtium on December 09, 2007, 22:40
There's a man on our site who only does earlies to avoid blight.  That would make sense after reading about the 11 degree thingy.
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: WG. on December 09, 2007, 22:43
Quote from: "sweet nasturtium"
There's a man on our site who only does earlies to avoid blight.  That would make sense after reading about the 11 degree thingy.
I was of a similar persuasion until I discovered the wonder that is Pink Fir Apple :!:
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: DD. on December 10, 2007, 08:20
Quote from: "WG."
I was of a similar persuasion until I discovered the wonder that is Pink Fir Apple :!:


That reminds me - still got a stack in the garage. Have to think of something cunning to do over Christmas with them. Got mother coming & she's a very strict meat & 2 veg & 'normal' spuds - no sauces person. I'm sure we can do something with these to frighten her!
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: WG. on December 10, 2007, 08:28
Steam them, skin-on.  She'll ask where you got the new potatoes :wink:
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: Rob the rake on December 10, 2007, 08:37
I much prefer Linzer Delikatess for flavour (and shape!). They're second earlies, but keep well. I found Fir Apple rock hard, so difficult to gauge cooking time. A good storer though.
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: WG. on December 10, 2007, 08:53
I might need to try Linzer Delikatess

Quote from: "Rob the rake"
I found Fir Apple rock hard, so difficult to gauge cooking time
evidently so :wink:
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: Rob the rake on December 10, 2007, 09:00
You do! They're easily the best salad spud I've ever tried, and yields are huge. Not so many small ones either, which I always got with Pink Fir Apple. Belle de Fontenay (or BF15, a development of BdF) runs Linzer a close second. :D
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: DD. on December 10, 2007, 09:12
In the last few months, I've accumulated a long list of 'must try' recommendations - think I need to take over the whole of our site!
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: WG. on December 10, 2007, 09:20
Quote from: "Rob the rake"
You do! They're easily the best salad spud I've ever tried
And for other things?  I use Pink Fir Apple for all purposes (except mashing).
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: Rob the rake on December 10, 2007, 09:25
They make great saute potatoes, WG, but I must confess that they taste so good boiled that I've never bothered cooking them any other way.
I grow other spuds for mashing, roasting and baking.
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: Rob the rake on December 10, 2007, 09:51
There was one culinary use I missed out. They're fantastic cubed up and curried (with plenty of creamed coconut) and don't lose their shape or go mushy. :D
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: ditchdigger on December 10, 2007, 22:15
Quote from: "WG."
Quote from: "sweet nasturtium"
There's a man on our site who only does earlies to avoid blight.  That would make sense after reading about the 11 degree thingy.
I was of a similar persuasion until I discovered the wonder that is Pink Fir Apple :!:
 I  still am of that persuasion, get 'em in get'em out. this coming year though gonna try a few rows of sarpo aswell, see how they do.    has anybody ever tried the old copper nails idea to TRY and beat blight?
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: mkhenry on December 10, 2007, 22:39
Quote from: "Rob the rake"
You do! They're easily the best salad spud I've ever tried, and yields are huge. Not so many small ones either, which I always got with Pink Fir Apple. Belle de Fontenay (or BF15, a development of BdF) runs Linzer a close second. :D


The problem with Pink Fir apple is they are very blight prone and rain can and does knock down the haulms,
The yeald in the best of years is often not very good with many very small potatoes.
Even so they are suberb spuds well worth a go.As I have already said I don't just want potatoes I want superb ones,and even with all of its faults
PFA are just that superb :wink:  :lol:  :wink:
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: WG. on December 10, 2007, 22:40
What do you use against blight then Henry?
Title: Blight resistant spuds
Post by: mkhenry on December 10, 2007, 22:53
Quote from: "WG."
What do you use against blight then Henry?


(Not this year I lost all to flooding when I took a chance and grew in the open.)  Most years I go against all advice and only grow them in bags.
I place a line of 3 bags at least 6 foot from the next line of 3 bags, all around the garden .I have around 24 bags each with 2 seed pots in and never allow the watering can to come into contact with the plants or bags

Remember I do not have a lottie anymore and only grow in my back garden in raised beds and containers and bags.
I grow Runner beans and carrots in dustbins and lettuce,cucumbers,etc in home made grow bags.
So I do not get much trouble with Blight.The last time was about 6 years ago in my old garden. I just got rid of the infected ones the others were ok. :wink: