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Growing => Grow Your Own => Topic started by: Sideways on March 22, 2010, 09:48

Title: Help, identify this?
Post by: Sideways on March 22, 2010, 09:48
Hi all,

I was given a bag of cuttings around a year ago, most of which are now happily growing away. The image below shows what has grown from what I can only describe as 'small cigar shaped tubers' that I put in the ground. It is now growing well.

The roots were labelled at the time but got mixed up in the bag. I thought this was sorrel at first but the images I have found on the web are different. Im pretty certain its a herb of some type.

Any ideas?

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_WJGb-YKRTWo/S6c7P801RyI/AAAAAAAAAdU/jn6100mccV8/s640/SDC10175.JPG)
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Trillium on March 22, 2010, 13:09
I can't think of any common herbs that grow from tubers. Is it possible to ask the person who gave them to you to identify them? Perhaps if you took a leaf of each different type?
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Sideways on March 22, 2010, 13:33
Thanks, I did consider contacting the person I got them from but Im struggling to find their email address- it was someone off Freecycle, I remember their name and will keep an eye out for when they post next.

Im getting a large crop of this now, it obviously likes the spot I put it in. Dont like the idea of good free food going to waste!
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Sideways on March 22, 2010, 13:45
Wow! Just checked Freecycle and there they were!  8)

Have sent a message with the image, will let you know what it is....hopefully!
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: mumofstig on March 22, 2010, 14:58
I wondered if it was horseradish as I know you grow that from root cuttings :unsure:
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: gillie on March 22, 2010, 15:20
I wondered if it was horseradish as I know you grow that from root cuttings :unsure:

No.  It looks nothing like horseradish.  Horseradish looks a bit like a dock.  This is much prettier, but I have no idea what it is!

Gillie
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: nobby on March 22, 2010, 15:58
def horseradish the yung leavs have serated edges then the older ones are rounder like docks
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Bagpuss on March 22, 2010, 16:06
Actually looks more like cornsalad (lambs lettuce) to me although that is usually grown from seed :)
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Sideways on March 22, 2010, 16:09
Gillie says-
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No.  It looks nothing like horseradish

Nobby says-
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def horseradish the yung leavs have serated edges then the older ones are rounder like docks

 ???

 :D
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: mr Isaccs on March 22, 2010, 16:14
I would say I'd eat my hat if it's horseraddish but I don't have one.
It's not like any horseraddish I've seen but then I suppose there may be several varieties?
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Trillium on March 22, 2010, 16:33
I'm very curious to know just what it is, so let us know Sideways.
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Flump on March 22, 2010, 17:18
ooh,that's gonna really bug me now! :wacko:looks like field scabious/knautia leaves a bit.
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Spana on March 22, 2010, 18:50
Sideways, is the plant in the photo outside in the open or is it covered .
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Swing Swang on March 22, 2010, 19:18
BTW - why did you plant up a bag of unknown cuttings? Are you sure that there wasn't any Japanese knotweed in there too  ;)
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Flump on March 22, 2010, 19:21
 Is it a type of rocket?is there a prize for getting it right,like an Easter egg? :tongue2:
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: PennyS on March 22, 2010, 19:22

 It is now growing well.


If it is horseradish, it will grow exceptionally well - it can be quite invasive!!  ;)
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Sideways on March 22, 2010, 19:34
Sideways, is the plant in the photo outside in the open or is it covered .

Its growing outside, no protection. There are several more plants to the right of the image, considering how early/chilly it is Im expecting quite a crop, hence my keeness to identify it and eat it all!
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Sideways on March 22, 2010, 19:36
BTW - why did you plant up a bag of unknown cuttings? Are you sure that there wasn't any Japanese knotweed in there too  ;)

I thought I knew them all but lost track of this one...
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Sideways on March 22, 2010, 19:37
Is it a type of rocket?is there a prize for getting it right,like an Easter egg? :tongue2:

You get to feel smug for a day!  ;)
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Spana on March 22, 2010, 20:00
It looks like American Cress/ Land Cress, but never heard of it being grown from tubers.
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Flump on March 22, 2010, 20:10
ok,I can cope with that....oh wait,no chocolate? :blink:
 If you crush the leaves,do they have a smell?
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: gillie on March 22, 2010, 21:50
It is not a chicory or endive is it?

Gillie
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Aunt Sally on March 22, 2010, 22:05
Actually looks more like cornsalad (lambs lettuce) to me although that is usually grown from seed :)


I've only ever grown it from seed.  I wouldn't have any idea what the roots would be like.
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Aunt Sally on March 23, 2010, 10:02
My lamb's lettuce had just round leaves though.  Worzel (who dug the bed over) said there were no large roots.
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Puenktchen on March 23, 2010, 13:31
It is definitely no lambs lettuce. We are eating it at the moment fresh from our allotment and they have only rounded leaves, no incised leaves like the plant on the picture. For me, it looks also more like a Knautia arvensis/field scabiosa or something similar.
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: paintedlady on March 23, 2010, 13:59
It's not "land cress" is it?  http://www.thompson-morgan.com/seeds1/product/616/2/  ;)
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Puenktchen on March 23, 2010, 14:50
The leaves look different, landcress has more rounded leaves, the leaves of the unknown plant are more pointed. I am really curious now about the real name of the plant.
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: plum crumble on March 23, 2010, 14:52
maybe send a pic to the RHS? - they should identify it for you
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Sideways on March 23, 2010, 15:32
Im still waiting for a reply from the person who gave it to me, Im pretty sure Ive got the right person.

If this fails I will do as PC suggests and send it in to the RHS.

Im glad so many of you are interested too!
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Bagpuss on March 23, 2010, 21:05
It is definitely no lambs lettuce. We are eating it at the moment fresh from our allotment and they have only rounded leaves, no incised leaves like the plant on the picture. For me, it looks also more like a Knautia arvensis/field scabiosa or something similar.
Ah okay I wasnt sure what the leaves looked like before it ran to seed as it is many years since I grew it
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: peapod on March 24, 2010, 00:55
I immediately said lettuce...that doesnt help, I know that  ???
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: monsta on March 24, 2010, 10:29
its not horseradish

this is horseradish

Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: mr Isaccs on March 24, 2010, 18:22
Nice :)
What a great patch of horseraddish Monsta
I can feel it burning my nostrils
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: JayG on March 24, 2010, 18:33
Nice :)
What a great patch of horseraddish Monsta
I can feel it burning my nostrils

Try eating it!  :lol:
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: mr Isaccs on March 24, 2010, 19:21
The hotter the better JayG  8)
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: nobby on March 24, 2010, 20:28
nice pic of mature horseraddish the yonge leves are good in a spring salad  that is def horseraddish wate and see  ::)
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: GrannieAnnie on March 24, 2010, 20:41
I'm sure with the horseradish I used to have in the garden, the young leaves were just like the mature leaves only smaller, not a different shape!

It does look more like a salad leaf to me, but salad leaves don't grow from tubers!

We are not being much help are we??  :(
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: HilaryG on March 24, 2010, 21:06
It does look to me like Field Scabious or possibly Valerian, which both start off with round leaves and become serrated with age.
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: savbo on March 24, 2010, 21:36
have you tried tasting the leaves? surely that's a pretty important clue if it's a herb? :blink:
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Flump on March 24, 2010, 21:42
 Could it be a Winter Radish?
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: mr Isaccs on March 25, 2010, 09:25
Could it be Japanese horseraddish? I can't enlarge the picture so can't see it properly
Edit:- No it's not japanese horseraddish, I looked into that idea a bit more
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: mr Isaccs on March 25, 2010, 09:30
It's certainly not young horseraddish as we know it though
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: agapanthus on March 25, 2010, 10:00
Poppies....

Poppy  (http://www.life.com/image/72497000)
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Sideways on March 25, 2010, 10:48
I did taste it last year, when it was quite young and the leaves were small, it didnt taste of much back then but the plant is now developing and the leaves are much bigger. I will have another taste at the weekend.

No reply from who I beleived to be the original supplier. I also posted the image on the RHS forum, nobody has come up with an answer as yet.

Its quite frustrating, but fun, I guess...  :)
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: mumofstig on March 25, 2010, 12:41
Agapanthus is probably right, as you can propagate the perennial poppies from root cuttings, could be planted with the herbs to use the seeds in cooking  :unsure:
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Flump on March 25, 2010, 16:08
 I don't suppose you could sacrifice a root to show us? :unsure:
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Puenktchen on March 25, 2010, 16:26
Poppies....

Poppy  (http://www.life.com/image/72497000)
Agapanthus is probably right, as you can propagate the perennial poppies from root cuttings, could be planted with the herbs to use the seeds in cooking  :unsure:

If you mean oriental poppy, I don`t think the leaves are right. Oriental poppy has hairy leaves which are serrated quite from the beginning and not only the older leaves.

I hope someone at the RHS knows the plant. Otherwise there is only waiting for the flowers. With flowers it is often quite easy to identify plants, if you have only leaves it is more like a guessing game.
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Sideways on March 29, 2010, 09:14
Ive had a reply, it is.....

Valeriana Phu. Aurea Herbaceous Perennial, non edible.

I think HilaryG hinted at Valarian, good call!

Thanks all.
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Spana on March 29, 2010, 15:22
Thats really interesting, I learnt something today ::)  I've got  Valerian and the leaves are nothing like your plant.  But if I look at Valeriana in my book thats it, its a totally different plant and  its what you've got.  Just shows what a difference an 'A' makes. :lol:

Thank goodness you've at last found out what it is :lol:
Title: Re: Help, identify this?
Post by: Flump on March 29, 2010, 23:38
thank God for that!I had no idea what that was!found a pic that looks just like your bit  Sideways, http://www.btinternet.com/~unusualplants/Archives/apr/valer.html