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Title: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: mrs bouquet on December 09, 2020, 13:26
This is surely a wonderful way forward now in the fight against this pandemic.

However, IMO, it would be a good idea to give it promptly to GP's  then perhaps we could get a Doctors appointment other than by phone in 4 weeks time !!!!   Mrs Bouquet
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: Goosegirl on December 09, 2020, 13:29
I'm sure they will be one of the front-line people to have this so don't worry.
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: Kleftiwallah on December 09, 2020, 14:24
   71 year old overweight diabetic with osteoarthritis,  Why haven't I been called?   

But then the side effects are still not fully understood.  I don't want to stand up in three weeks time and my bum falls off!

Cheers,  Tony.
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: mumofstig on December 09, 2020, 14:52
All the over 80s and hospital staff before you Klefti
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: Aunt Sally on December 09, 2020, 16:01
   71 year old overweight diabetic with osteoarthritis,  Why haven't I been called?   

But then the side effects are still not fully understood.  I don't want to stand up in three weeks time and my bum falls off!

Cheers,  Tony.

You will only be called when the distribution and call up systems are worked out, Tony.  If you were on the “shielding” list for the first lockdown you would be one of the first called.
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: John on December 09, 2020, 16:38
   71 year old overweight diabetic with osteoarthritis,  Why haven't I been called?   
Hi Tony
Can't help with your vaccine but I strongly recommend The 8-Week Blood Sugar Diet by Dr Michael Mosely (https://amzn.to/2Ivy3QU)
It's tough but not too tough and you can reverse Type 2 diabetes, lose weight and feel loads better. Might even help your osteoarthritis symptoms too. My blood sugars went from "Have you made a will, here's a pen" to the normal range very quickly with the help of this book.
Best of luck
John
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: Christine on December 09, 2020, 16:53
I'm not t the forefront of getting the vaccine as I'm still in tier 4 till 21st of this month. However having no health risks I'll just settle for the 2nd knee replacement I've been offered on December 23rd.
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: mumofstig on December 09, 2020, 17:00
Seems like a good time to go in, if you aren't keen on Christmad anyway.... Staff should all be vaccinated by then as well :)
Good luck!
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: John on December 09, 2020, 18:07
Getting vaccines into people is going to be a huge task - we're hoping to get it by April but there are about 5 million in the queue before us. And rightly so  ;)

Even when vaccinated if it's 95% effective it will be best to be mindful of the risk.
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: grinling on December 09, 2020, 22:17
It will take time for vaccines to be made and the 2 American ones are very expensive compared to the British one. All have to be approved, with 2 doses per vaccine. 6 variants of Sars and how much will other countries buy and how much will people have to pay to get it in some countries.
We are going to remain vulnerable for some time yet.
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: snowdrops on December 10, 2020, 08:42
Countries have already ‘put aside’ money for 3rd world countries to provide the vaccines for them
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: John on December 10, 2020, 09:37
Countries have already ‘put aside’ money for 3rd world countries to provide the vaccines for them
I think that comes under 'enlightened self-interest' - lest the developed world becomes an island of health in a sea of illness. Great as it is to have a vaccine, the ultra-cold requirements present a huge challenge especially to countries that have problems with power infrastructure etc.
I expect we'll see the less demanding vaccines being approved soon now which will make it much easier to inoculate people in volume.
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: coldandwindy on December 10, 2020, 11:05
@Kleftiwallah; -
You wont be getting called until well into spring. 70-80 year olds and "shielding" people are in the second group. The first is the over 80s, those in care homes and workers at care homes. There are more people in that first group than can be done with all the Pfizer vaccines ordered so you'll be waiting for the Oxford one to be rolled out most likely.
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: MrsPea on December 10, 2020, 11:46
I'm not t the forefront of getting the vaccine as I'm still in tier 4 till 21st of this month. However having no health risks I'll just settle for the 2nd knee replacement I've been offered on December
Good luck with that Christine i've had both mine done and haven't looked back, what a day to do it before Christmas have a good one.  :)
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: Glosterboy on December 10, 2020, 14:26
I may have missed it? But, is anybody aware of the group vaccination scheduling? Currently, people of Group 1 conditions are being vaccinated. When does the vaccination of people with Group 2 conditions begin? After all Group 1 people have had their 2nd vaccination? And then dates for people within the remaining groups? I have a generic text from my local surgery "don't contact us, we will contact you". Fair enough. But, surely there is a vaccination scheduling somewhere? Thanks.
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: Aunt Sally on December 10, 2020, 14:44
I don’t think dates have been fixed.  It all depends on supply and cold chain arrangements.
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: mumofstig on December 10, 2020, 15:21
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This priority list is as follows:

1  residents in a care home for older adults and their carers
2  all those 80 years of age and over and frontline health and social care workers
3  all those 75 years of age and over
4  all those 70 years of age and over and clinically extremely vulnerable individuals[footnote 1]
5  all those 65 years of age and over
6  all individuals aged 16 years to 64 years with underlying health conditions which put them at higher risk of serious disease and mortality
7  all those 60 years of age and over
8  all those 55 years of age and over
9  all those 50 years of age and over
It is estimated that taken together, these groups represent around 99% of preventable mortality from COVID-19.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-2-december-2020/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-2-december-2020
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: mrs bouquet on December 10, 2020, 15:40
Thanks for that Mum.    I won't rush for my coat just yet then.  But I think it sounds about right.  Mrs B
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: GraciesGran on December 10, 2020, 15:42
That makes me group 5, will be well into next year before they get round to me.
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: grinling on December 10, 2020, 17:32
It is also a 2 dose vaccine, between 3 and 4 weeks apart.
Only the American vaccines need ultra cold, so England have bought less of these.
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: Christine on December 10, 2020, 18:28
I'm not at the forefront of getting the vaccine as I'm still in tier 4 till 21st of this month. However having no health risks I'll just settle for the 2nd knee replacement I've been offered on December
Good luck with that Christine i've had both mine done and haven't looked back, what a day to do it before Christmas have a good one.  :)
Thanks MrsPea - as not up for vaccine a new knee will do just fine. It'll keep me at home and out of harm's way for a bit.
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: John on December 10, 2020, 19:12
I know they've a general plan - frontline staff, oldest, carehome residents etc. but a lot is going to depend on which vaccine(s) are approved and production rates. Fridge stored Oxford vaccine will be a lot easier than super-cold Pfizer vaccine. If it's approved, if they can make enough etc. Too many variables to plan, so it's all guesswork.

800,000 doses arrived = 400,000 vaccinations which is about 0.6% of the priority group (6.7million?)

We're both 65 to 70 group and don't expect to get called until April. if we're lucky.Hang tough.. the cavalry isn't here yet :)
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: snowdrops on December 10, 2020, 21:11
Countries have already ‘put aside’ money for 3rd world countries to provide the vaccines for them
I think that comes under 'enlightened self-interest' - lest the developed world becomes an island of health in a sea of illness. Great as it is to have a vaccine, the ultra-cold requirements present a huge challenge especially to countries that have problems with power infrastructure etc.
I expect we'll see the less demanding vaccines being approved soon now which will make it much easier to inoculate people in volume.

It’s nothing new, richer countries have always paid for the majority of the  vaccinations in 3rd world countries
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: Aunt Sally on December 10, 2020, 22:51
Hang tough.. the cavalry isn't here yet :)

That’s the truth of it.  I hope the majority of people continue to follow ‘Covid safe’ guidelines until vaccination brings the risk factors down.  We may never be free of it but with vaccination we may live with it.
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: Aunt Sally on December 11, 2020, 11:06
They've set up a vaccination hub about 3 miles away from us.  Our neighbours, who have health reasons, have an appointment for next week.  Things are looking up  :)
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: mrs bouquet on December 11, 2020, 11:46
It will be a slow process, because as the first group have all had their first vaccine, it will be time for their second one.  After that they can start on group 2, and then they will be done, but due their second one.  I think, as many have said already,  due care and caution still has to be observed, maybe thats even after an innoculation.     I have never been able to understand all this air-kissing anyway.  :unsure:  Mrs B
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: Aunt Sally on December 11, 2020, 15:19
  I think, as many have said already,  due care and caution still has to be observed, maybe thats even after an innoculation.     

Absolutely, Mrs B !
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: Aidy on December 11, 2020, 19:31
We have just been told by our gov body that we will be phase1, a tad nervous as I was hoping for phase 8 based on age.
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: Aunt Sally on December 11, 2020, 19:57
You’re a punk, Aidy.  How can you be nervous of anything   :lol:
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: jezza on December 11, 2020, 20:32
Hello I heard on the telly the other day that this vaccine is based on an Edward Jehnna smallpox vaccine from 1700s ,it wiped out small pox hopefully it  will do the same for coronovirus  jezza
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: Aunt Sally on December 11, 2020, 22:52
Jenner was indeed the first person to demonstrate the successful use of a vaccine. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Jenner
Title: Re: Covid 19 Vaccine
Post by: John on December 12, 2020, 01:35
Hello I heard on the telly the other day that this vaccine is based on an Edward Jehnna smallpox vaccine from 1700s ,it wiped out small pox hopefully it  will do the same for coronovirus  jezza
That's true but it's a bit like comparing a Tesla with a steam engine! The technology that has developed these vaccines was undreamed of in the 1700s and is even far in advance of what was possible just 20 years ago.