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Title: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Holt on June 02, 2009, 20:14
Hi All,

Just wondering anybody advice on pigs and sunburn.

Best regards

Craig & Suzanne Holt
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: wighty on June 02, 2009, 20:36
Well I have horses and staffies,we use normal sun tan  crream on them. sorted!
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Vember on June 02, 2009, 20:38
Hi Craig & Suzanne

Welcome to the forums :D

One of our members Roughlee Handled has pigs, I know he puts factor 40 on them to protect them from the sun :) Unsure as to what to do if they have it ??? But I'm sure he'll be along soon and maybe able to offer some advice :)

In the mean time here's a link to one of his posts about the pigs :D
http://chat.allotment-garden.org/index.php?topic=34177.msg434411#msg434411

Sarah :)
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Ice on June 02, 2009, 20:39
Their skin is very much like ours so treat it the same.  Use some after sun cream, keep them in the shade for a few days and then apply sun block especially to their ears.
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Roughlee Handled on June 02, 2009, 21:21
As Ice says try to keep them in the shade for a couple of days and apply sun screen.
 I use
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/week%202/IMGP0312.jpg)
Only because the wife bought it. The higher the factor the better.
On sunny days I apply to there ears.  Pigs are like humans they can suffer from heat stroke.
In the photo below you can see what looks like mud on its ears.  Its not mud but scabs from sun burn!!!
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/week%202/22042009175.jpg)

If your pigs do not have shade other than there ark or where they sleep at night I suggest you make one.
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/09052009237.jpg)

I would also suggest you make a wallow for them or help them create one buy turning the tap on a hose to the area they live in. They love mud as it cools them down and also acts as total block.
Mine did not like the muddy areas till it got hot and now they are there all day.

Please tell us a bit more about your pigs, oh and photos are always good.

Here is a link to a thread about my pigs.
http://chat.allotment-garden.org/index.php?topic=34177
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Roughlee Handled on June 03, 2009, 12:23
Here is a better picture of there sun shade.
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/Image001.jpg)

How are the pigs today?
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Roughlee Handled on June 10, 2009, 09:52
Craig & Suzanne

Any news on your pigs?
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Kieron on June 10, 2009, 11:45
Sounds like they need some sort of oinkment?  :D

Well if no one else was going to say it....   :tongue2:
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Ayla on June 23, 2009, 12:49
Hi, I'm a first-time pig owner too, and I think my pigs have sunburn.  I have four Large Whites (two 3.5-month old boys, 1 5-month old girl & 1 5-month old boy) and one 5-month old Saddleback (black & white).

We brought the young boys home first - they are brothers and came from internal housing.  They had clear skin when we brought them home but quickly turned pink in our outdoor pen.  The older boy & girl came from an outdoor arrangement, but the Whites still pinked.  The Saddleback doesn't appear affected at all.

Granted, it's been sunnier & warmer (for longer) than ever here in Donegal, but we have shelter & wallows which are always available to each pig.  Problem is that all the pigs *choose* to lay out in the sun.  ::)

I'm writing now b/c we've been wondering if what our pigs has is really sunburn, or could it be mange/mites?  Their skin is flaky (especially on the back/flank) & they itch a lot, but they don't appear to have the red pimples or buildup in the ears which seems to point to mange.  I can't find any close up or clear shots of either condition online & I'm wondering if anyone would have a better idea?  The fact that the Saddleback doesn't appear affected makes me think it's sunburn, but we'd like to be sure...any ideas?
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Roughlee Handled on June 23, 2009, 13:10
Welcome to the mad house.
I am a newbie (first year) pig man.

I think its normal and not sun burn.

I have to apply sun cream or with mine there ears get burnt and scab up. Not nice.

I know what you mean I have two middle white crosses.  The love rubbing on me on anything.  For example while I was putting factor 40 on there ears this morning I had to distracted them by rubbing them with the end of the tube the love it and it keeps them quiet for 2 mins while i apply. The rubbing with the end of the tube creates a shower of flaky skin.

I have been told by the person I bought them off of not to worry but to "oil em up", "Not when its sunny or they'll fry"

I have some
(http://www.morganhorse.co.uk/images/Pig-Oil-Trilanco-5.jpg)
Its like baby oil but with out the smell.
Its seems to be a skin conditioner it has helped.

This morning about 6am in the sun shade that they tend to sleep in when its not raining!!
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/IMG_0701.jpg)
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Roughlee Handled on June 23, 2009, 13:13
forgot these
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/IMG_0704.jpg)
Even though there are two bowls they have to eat from one!

A very lazy pig.  She can not be bothered to eat stood up so eats sat down then flops with her head in the bowl and eats then gets up and has a mad 5 mins run round.
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/Roughlee_Handled/Pigs/IMG_0710.jpg)
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: poppies on June 23, 2009, 13:26


We brought the young boys home first - they are brothers and came from internal housing.  They had clear skin when we brought them home but quickly turned pink in our outdoor pen.  The older boy & girl came from an outdoor arrangement, but the Whites still pinked.  The Saddleback doesn't appear affected at all.


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Our latest lot of pigs were also indoor reared  - we usually get outdoor one's but could'nt get any this time, we have found that they burn easier our's are kept half in a copse  and half field but they still lay out in the sun so we have to cover them in sun lotion, the flakey skin you mention is just piggy skin - never seen the pig oil before,  it would save on the basting
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Roughlee Handled on June 23, 2009, 13:29
Pig oil is very good try it. Plus they like the attention.
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Roughlee Handled on June 23, 2009, 13:30
Come on photos is the law round here. So lets see some photos of your pigs please.
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: too many girls on June 23, 2009, 15:50
in the first pic that pig's laughing at you Ruff and the other one is saying "whatever"
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Roughlee Handled on June 23, 2009, 16:05
No its yawning.   It was taken at 06:19 this morning.  I woke them up when I went to feed them.
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Ayla on June 23, 2009, 16:12
Thanks everyone for your answers -

All of our pigs *love* getting rubs too & they'll lay down so we can give their bellies a good scratch too - we had no idea when we started this that they'd be so much fun.  :D

I've heard of the pig oil so we'll have to see if we can get it around here - no one else seems to be doing pigs so the merchants/shops tend to be low on supplies.

Suppose I should do a bit of introducing seeing how I've finally stumbled upon an active forum for smallholding pig raisers -

My husband & I have a number of acres that're quite rough & in desperate need for some grading/plowing/deweeding & planting.  So, we started looking into various animals to help us w/ the grunt work.  Hubby has lots of experience w/ cattle & sheep but they were both too much initial cost so we started looking into pigs & goats.  

Long story short, we now have 5 pigs, 3 chickens and 2 goats, and everyday we're looking at more land they've helped us recover & root up.  Along the way (and we've only been at it for 6 weeks now) we've completely fallen in love w/ the pigs (but not enough to forget they will ultimately be filling our freezer) and we're thinking to breed the sows to replace & grow our herd.

We've been keeping everyone completely outside but the pigs & chickens have shelters.  We're feeding the pigs a mixture of maize, soya & pig nuts, along w/ whatever veggie kitchen scraps & drippings we can manage.  Everyone's gaining weight slowly, but they look fantastic (with little/no back fat) and we're in no hurry anyway.

Our only problem thus far (other than the inevitable escapes from the pens & munching through the veggie garden) is the skin condition I described in my first post.  Fingers crossed it keeps up that way.
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Roughlee Handled on June 23, 2009, 16:20
Try an electric fence unit.  Mine have never escaped from behind this.
I went for the 3 wire permanent fence but you could try the two wire fence and electric fence rope.
(http://www.rutland-electric-fencing.co.uk/Images/picFenceWireSwine.gif)
found here
http://www.rutland-electric-fencing.co.uk/PageAnimalSwine.aspx
Pig oil is also used by horsey people to combat mud rash on horses in the summer so you could try an equestrian supplier.   

Photos please.
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Roughlee Handled on June 23, 2009, 16:23
Yes I know the fence looks low but in my limited experience a pig cant jump. Least not that high.
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Ayla on June 23, 2009, 16:39
Try an electric fence unit.  Mine have never escaped from behind this.
I went for the 3 wire permanent fence but you could try the two wire fence and electric fence rope.

We have electric now - problem was before we had it set up.  The young boys never challenged the pallet fencing, but the big ones had a great time pushing it around.  Now the electric keeps them in most of the time.  This also allows us to move their pens around when they're done "wrecking" the land for us.

Fortunately we don't have any neighbors, so if they do get out it's only our crop which suffers   :ohmy:

Photos...I'll do what I can but I don't have many online
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: SMD66 on June 24, 2009, 11:28
We have done our pigs a wallow, shallow hole + water = mud, natures sun cream!
we tried sun cream when they were piglets, it's easier to put on while they eat.  Our pig supplier thought it was highly amusing!

As for fencing, we use electric tape as they see it easier than wire.  2 strands 6-8 and about 15-18" high.  We run ours off an old car battery that just needs an over night charge every few weeks.  Once the pigs are used to it they wont even cross where it was when you move it!

We took our first batch to slaughter 2 months ago, not a nice job, but at least they had a really good life, and the pork is excellent.  We are 1st time pig keepers and I know how many questions we had and sometimes felt a bit stooopid asking more experienced larger scale keepers so , although we are not that experienced, if I can offer any advice please ask.  :)
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: SMD66 on June 24, 2009, 11:34

  We're feeding the pigs a mixture of maize, soya & pig nuts, along w/ whatever veggie kitchen scraps & drippings we can manage.  

Did you know it's illegal to feed anything that's even been in your kitchen?

We were advised to feed no  more than 4 lb pig growes pellets per pig per bay split into 2 feeds.  It did seem a small amount but they thrived and had just the right amount of fat at 7 1/2 months old when they went to slaughter.  We do give them treats from the allotment, last winter they had falllen apples etc too, but be very careful about things from in the kitchen, you might get yourself into trouble.
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Roughlee Handled on June 24, 2009, 11:54
We have done our pigs a wallow, shallow hole + water = mud, natures sun cream!
I only put sun cream on there ears. They are "middle whites" breed and they have a wallow I still have to put suncream on there ears because pigs do not like getting there ears wet, and therefore do not get mud on there ears. You will be ok with your saddle backs though.  We only feed ours vegetable waste raw.  Nothing cooked. And defo not animal products because of BSC. Mine are fed ad lib and do not look fat.
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: SMD66 on June 24, 2009, 12:06
Hello Roughlee,
have you had any go to slaughter yet?  Our 4lb a day ration was advised by our local pig supplier, I have read in 2 different books though that they recommend 4 1/2 lb or 6 lb.
I would be interesed to know how yours slaughtered out with ad lib feeding.

We had between 9 mm and 11 mm back fat on our 1st batch and food costs were between 55 and 70 per pig, (one went before the others cos she was massive!)
As we sell the some of the 1/2 pigs we kept an eye on costs.  We are not in it to make a profit necessarily, but also don't want to make a loss.
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Roughlee Handled on June 24, 2009, 12:48
Hello Roughlee,
have you had any go to slaughter yet? 

Nope these are my first pigs.  Just doing what it says on the bag and what my mate that I got the pigs off of told me.  They have a quarter acre plot to run around in, and they do run around. We are swapping half a pig for a whole lamb. Just to give us some variety. How much is your feed per bag and what are you feeding them on?
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: SMD66 on June 24, 2009, 13:06
we feed BOCM Pauls pig rearer pellets, (446)  It is 6.60 per bag.  Our pigs don't have 1/4 acre, but they have a good sized plot and run about a lot too. 
our costs worked out thus;
weaner, 35
food (7 months)  55
Slaughter, 15
Butchery, (including cured meats)  55  = 160
We sold 1/2 the pig for 80. 
Our other 3 took 6 more weeks to come to slaughter weight so cost more.  We are putting our prices up for the next batch!
Samantha
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Ayla on June 24, 2009, 13:44

Did you know it's illegal to feed anything that's even been in your kitchen?

I agree it is illegal to feed them swill, which is any meat-based or cooked scraps.  What we feed them are the cuttings off of our vegetables & fruits or any bruised veggies we can't eat.  We also give them any bread loaf ends (what doesn't go to the chix) and tea bags/coffee grounds (which they *love*).  We also rinse off our plates w/ a bit of water & all these drippings go into the pig bucket to keep things interesting.

Basically anything that could've gone to the compost (minus anything mouldy) is now going to the pigs.  If they don't like something (they're not overly fond of orange peels, for instance) they leave them & they eventually get dug into the dirt - thus speeding up the compost process.  But it's all natural and above ground.  We notified the Dept of Agriculture we'd be doing this when they came to inspect our property and they were satisfied.
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: SMD66 on June 24, 2009, 14:08
If Dept agriculture are happy then who am I to argue?  :)

We were told tho that if it's been in the kitchen then you can't feed it to pigs.  I know the new rules are a bit of overkill since the foot and mouth outbreak was caused by feeding swill to pigs, but they are just trying to 'make sure' I suppose.

I am still a bit unsure about rinsing the plates into the pig bucket, if there has been meat on the plate them surely there may be a risk, and you are rinsing cooked food residue which I would have thought would constitue swill.

I was told by our pig supplier that if local animal health and welfare/trading standards get wind of anyone doing they type of things you are doing then it is noted on your records and may cause difficulty at the slaughter house.  I don't know how true that is, and if they have okayed it with you then hopefully it wont be a problem for you.

Ultimately it's your choice and your pigs.  I am a bit over cautious and I just wouldn't want to be the one to cause another outbreak of foot and mouth so abide by the rules to the letter.
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: poppies on June 24, 2009, 14:13

  We're feeding the pigs a mixture of maize, soya & pig nuts, along w/ whatever veggie kitchen scraps & drippings we can manage.  

Did you know it's illegal to feed anything that's even been in your kitchen?

We were advised to feed no  more than 4 lb pig growes pellets per pig per bay split into 2 feeds.  It did seem a small amount but they thrived and had just the right amount of fat at 7 1/2 months old when they went to slaughter.  We do give them treats from the allotment, last winter they had falllen apples etc too, but be very careful about things from in the kitchen, you might get yourself into trouble.

agree If DEFRA  find out you are feeding teabags coffee grounds etc you will be in a lot of trouble, these rules are made for a reason, you really should'nt feed anything that has been in the kitchen because of cross contamination thats one of the way's foot and mouth starts
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Roughlee Handled on June 24, 2009, 14:47
Ayla is in Donegal Ireland so things may be different over there i.e may not be subject to the same rules and regulations that we are in the UK.
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: SMD66 on June 24, 2009, 14:59
that's true!
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Ayla on June 24, 2009, 16:16
Thanks again for everyone's comments -

I hear everyone's thoughts and am the type to be aware & cautious, but not paranoid.  The way I see it, pigs were (and still are) raised worldwide by eating leftovers, and as long as what you're eating is fit for human consumption then surely it's good enough for the pigs you'll be ultimately eating as well?

I'm not sure how the regs differ from Ire to UK, but I know a local pig farmer collects buckets of scraps from the restaurant I used to work in, and all sorts went into them.   :unsure:  I don't agree with that (for the fat content alone, if nothing else) but if that's ok, then I'm sure tea bags & apple cores are as well.  I would personally be just as wary of genetically modified feeds with all sorts of chemicals & preservatives introduced.
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: SMD66 on June 24, 2009, 16:28
the regulations are because when foot & mouth started it was caused because the restaurant that was providing swill was using meat from asia which was infected with foot and mouth.  Cooking the meat doesn't kill the organism so although it was fit for humans, the pigs still got infected.
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: SMD66 on June 25, 2009, 07:34
Looked on DEFRA's web site and found this so I think the rules do apply in Ireland

http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/by-prods/wastefood/cater-qa.htm

Q3. What legislation now prohibits catering waste from being fed to animals?
The Animal By-Products Regulation (EC) No. 1774/2002 prohibits catering waste from being fed to farmed animals. This applies in all EU member states and applied from 1 May 2003.

Q5. What is the definition of catering waste?
Catering waste means all waste food including used cooking oils originating in restaurants, catering facilities and kitchens, including central kitchens and household kitchens'. This definition also includes catering waste from vegetarian restaurants and kitchens.
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: treacle on June 25, 2009, 08:33
Mmmmm crackling  :D
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Roughlee Handled on June 25, 2009, 08:45
Looked on DEFRA's web site and found this so I think the rules do apply in Ireland.........................

Does this assume that it for sale, what about for own consumption?
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: SMD66 on June 25, 2009, 09:14
It applies to all pigs.  Because they have to go through a slaughter house there is a chance of spreading disease, (how it initially spread last time) so ALL pigs are subject to the rules.  It's not so much about human consumption issues, more the decimation of the farming industry in the UK, not to mention tourism and other effects on the economy etc...etc..etc
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Ayla on June 26, 2009, 12:51

Q3. What legislation now prohibits catering waste from being fed to animals?
The Animal By-Products Regulation (EC) No. 1774/2002 prohibits catering waste from being fed to farmed animals. This applies in all EU member states and applied from 1 May 2003.

Q5. What is the definition of catering waste?
Catering waste means all waste food including used cooking oils originating in restaurants, catering facilities and kitchens, including central kitchens and household kitchens'. This definition also includes catering waste from vegetarian restaurants and kitchens.


Thanks SMD66 for looking into this further and providing citations...

Ok, so I'm sure I'm splitting hairs here, but DEFRA did state "used catering waste [even household kitchens] including cooking oils...".  This does not necessarily specify the illegality of giving raw veggie scraps.  There are a couple different ways you could read their statement.  All the same, I hear your point about the potential for cross contamination.

When the Dept of Agriculture came out to do our inspection they said it was fine to give veggie scraps from our kitchen (b/c we did ask them specifically) but they made a point of saying that any scraps from restaurants/hotels/large scale production were to be avoided.

Again, maybe I'm just being a Devil's Advocate.  Of course it's possible I'm in the wrong here, but considering my family eats almost no meat anyway, and whatever we do eat is raised & produced locally by our neighborhood butcher, I just can't see the harm in rinsing vegetable-based sauces from our dinner plates into the pig bucket.  We never give our pigs any actual meat scraps, and I think they really benefit from the various vitamins & minerals they get from leftover fruit smoothies & yoghurt pots. 

Raising pigs has always been done this way, and as long as we're not introducing meat products that literally come from around the world (where the regulations aren't as stringent) this is the way we're keeping at it.  I'm not trying to be difficult, just saying what that restaurant who kick-started the epidemic did and what my family is doing are worlds apart.
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: SMD66 on June 26, 2009, 14:01
Hi Ayla,

I can absolutley see your point, swill from take-away restaurants who source their meat from asia etc are the sort of establishments who could cause a major problem. 

I understand that you would be careful with what you rinse off the plates too.  In the war buckets of scraps from everywhere went to feed pigs and they thrived on it.  It's a shame that the rules have to be so stringent but like I said before, it's over-kill to cover all eventualities, no allowances for common sense.

In the end we all make the choice how we 'interpret' the rules.

Good luck with your pigs, I am sure they are really happy and well looked after.  :)
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: revJonny on July 16, 2009, 20:51
I thought you were joking with the suntan lotion! If your pigs are really suffering from the heat then they're not suited to their current environment. Shade in the form of trees and housing, and access to wet mud should be enough to protect them.
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Kate and her Ducks on July 16, 2009, 20:55
I think Ruff's pigs are a bit like children. You can provide them with all the shelter you like but if they would rather be out playing in the sunshine then they will!
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Ayla on July 17, 2009, 09:28
I think Ruff's pigs are a bit like children. You can provide them with all the shelter you like but if they would rather be out playing in the sunshine then they will!

Well said...ours have full sheds/huts, loads of shade and cool wallows, but on each hot & sunny day, where have they been but laying out sunning themselves?  In fact, the only time they "cover up" inside their shelters has been when it's raining.  Oh well  ::)
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Roughlee Handled on July 17, 2009, 10:09

revJonny just to give you some background I live on a hill, it is always windy here.
As you probably know wind will take away the heat of the sun, so you can not feel it.
They have come from (born) an inside environment they are not used to the sun.  In there first weeks here it was sunny and windy and they are like children they are not aware they are being burnt.  As the weeks have passed and through the hot spell we have recently had here 3+ weeks of 25c+ the pigs have learnt that mud is good.  I have not had to apply sun screen for at least 4 weeks.  As you may be aware (if you have read this thread) this is my first time as a pig keeper and we all make mistakes, mine was not applying sun cream early enough. It is not really a problem putting sun cream on there ears, in fact it got them used to being handled.  These two girls are middle whites and I was going to get British Lops (very similar) if these girls taste as good as they look I am definitely going to get the same again.  They have reached there weight very quickly and are no problem at all.

Do you have pigs, or what is your knowledge of pigs?

I thought you were joking with the suntan lotion! If your pigs are really suffering from the heat then they're not suited to their current environment. Shade in the form of trees and housing, and access to wet mud should be enough to protect them.
I suppose the above statement is a good enough reason why people should not go abroad on holiday then?
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: peapod on July 22, 2009, 22:57
I think Ruff's pigs are a bit like children. You can provide them with all the shelter you like but if they would rather be out playing in the sunshine then they will!

Kate and I have seen Ruffs pigs, and seen how childlike they are! Despite a perfick setup they behave like 8 year olds out playing all day
Suntan lotion its got to be  :lol:
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: FCG on July 23, 2009, 00:09
Ha! Eight year olds Peapod? More like 3 year olds.

Rough spoils them like kids as well... he might as well get some goats for the kids to boot :D
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: peapod on July 23, 2009, 01:00
Ha! Eight year olds Peapod? More like 3 year olds.

Rough spoils them like kids as well... he might as well get some goats for the kids to boot :D

Werent they funny Mike? Im still laughing at them chasing Runner Bean man  :D :D
Goats? What a great idea...!!! (Ruff?)

More pigs + goats...its gotta be a 150 moment for youve been framed

(but shush, between you and me)
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: Roughlee Handled on July 23, 2009, 09:37
I would love to get Dexters but the OH says "NO" ???
Title: Re: Help Pig Sunburn
Post by: white-blazes on July 26, 2009, 18:54
Another keeper of horses here, and for sore sunburnt pink noses, I find the best cream is Sudocrem (better known for babies bums) 8)