Allotment Gardening Advice Help Chat
Chatting => Frugal Living => Topic started by: richyrich7 on February 27, 2007, 22:05
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Just found a recipe for home-made pet friendly Rat and Mouse killer on a website from Tennessee as follows :
1 cup of flour
1 cup of sugar
1 cup of baking soda ( Bicarbonate of soda)
Mix together and place in small bowls where you notice rodent traffic.
Says it's safe around household pets.
Thought I'd give a go and see what happens.
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it blows the rats stomach up ....... same as putting cherry bombs down for them
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Any idea how this works?sounds a bit vague to me and if this kills rats/mice how?
OK Muntjac types faster but howcome this wouldnot killa small cat.
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it blows the rats stomach up ....... same as putting cherry bombs down for them
Wondered how it worked Good deff give it a go hate the dam things :evil:
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you will find that cats wont eat the sugar sweet stuf probs .and taste baking soda ,this was a trick used to get shot of raccoons in knoxville it would be mixed with wet cat food and left out by the bins coons would eat it and than have massive stomach ache and in cases the belly swells up and suffocates them by squashing the lungs
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The bicarb will react with stomach acid and produce carbon dioxide gas, obviously in excess to create the swelling.
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Apparently, most of these vermin and creatures cannot pass wind, hence the internal combustion. :twisted:
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feeling a bit sorry for rats and the mice now ,sounds like a nasty death :cry:
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feeling a bit sorry for rats and the mice now ,sounds like a nasty death :cry:
Try a vindaloo and a butt plug if you want to offer moral support
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feeling a bit sorry for rats and the mice now ,sounds like a nasty death :cry:
Try a vindaloo and a butt plug if you want to offer moral support
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Whisky :shock: too much information!!!!!
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The bicarb will react with stomach acid and produce carbon dioxide gas, obviously in excess to create the swelling.
You sure about the gas type produced? :? Humans take bicarb (an alkaline) to neutralize excess stomach acids and gases for relief. In the days before Alka Seltzer, Tums, Immodium and whatever, you simply spooned some baking soda in water and when it bubbled, it was 'bottoms up!' If you don't already have stomach gas, it can create some, especially in the different kinds of digestive systems in animals which can't break the wind for relief. And yes, Munty, it is rather painful for them.
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Just remembered - instead of baking soda, some people leave fresh soda pop (with fizz) for the beasties to drink and it acts exactly the same - kaboom! Yuk!
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Won't this harm the birdies if they eat some of the bicarb as i heard they literally explode if eat anything with bicarb in?
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Won't this harm the birdies if they eat some of the bicarb as i heard they literally explode if eat anything with bicarb in?
I reckon you are thinking of carbide
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Definitely Bicarb of Soda....with bread as I understand it.
If you put some bicarbonate of soda on a piece of bread and feedit to seagulls - they will explode
Seen it on a few sites about culling seagulls....not that i advocate it.
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Definitely Bicarb of Soda....with bread as I understand it
Might well kill them but in a less spectacular style. Bicarb can only produce Carbon Dioxide. Carbide produces acetylene gas when it comes into contact with water - basis of the old carbide lamps. :)
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Well that's a relief anyways WG....would hate to think of exploding seagulls...especially near the coast.
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Definitely Bicarb of Soda....with bread as I understand it.
If you put some bicarbonate of soda on a piece of bread and feedit to seagulls - they will explode
Seen it on a few sites about culling seagulls....not that i advocate it.
I'm told it works with pigeons use grain and bicarb . The Idea is to keep the stuff dry and inside barns sheds etc. But to be honest can't see birds bothering with it.
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take it this would be same to humans then - i could put it in our compost heap i mean - seems we have "visitors" in there. didn't want to put bait in there tho, if we are then going to put the compost on the garden later on!
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The bicarb will react with stomach acid and produce carbon dioxide gas, obviously in excess to create the swelling.
You sure about the gas type produced? :? Humans take bicarb (an alkaline) to neutralize excess stomach acids and gases for relief. In the days before Alka Seltzer, Tums, Immodium and whatever, you simply spooned some baking soda in water and when it bubbled, it was 'bottoms up!' If you don't already have stomach gas, it can create some, especially in the different kinds of digestive systems in animals which can't break the wind for relief. And yes, Munty, it is rather painful for them.
positive, we make rockets take off in classrooms with the same ingredients (but use lemon juice as the acid). if you take the alkali (bicarb) you would take a more metered dose to counteract, neutralise, the excess stomach acid, e.g one or two tablets, not a whole bucket full!
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Bi-carb soda fizzes up when i contact with moisture.
Once enough gets into their stomaches they literaly explode :twisted:
Seen it with seagulls wrap bi-carb in bread throw it in the air seagull grabs it swallows it down 30 secs later POP. :cry:
Wouldn't use this very inhumane way to kill them myself.....
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Wouldn't use this very inhumane way to kill them myself.....
What NEVER stompy? Sounds like you have a bit of experience to me..go on, confess :!:
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Wouldn't use this very inhumane way to kill them myself.....
Well just got told another recipe by my butcher today, worse than the last one involving plaster of paris and ...........
But each to their own, me I just hate them down to the bone :twisted: only good one's a dead one
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:lol: omg lol me and my huby have just been imagining chilling out on our plots ,having a cup of tea and Bang ! there goes another one lmao exploding rats and mice every where .
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:lol:
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Mixed it up yesterday, and most of it has already been eaten. Got mouse droppings all around it. But does it actually work? spoke to some of the old boys on site and they think ive lost the plot :oops: And if it does work, should I leave some down perminently in case I get any more?
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my hubby wants to know if it matters what type of flour you use and do you put it down dry :?
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The mice will eat it no matter what type of flour, its the bicarb thats supposed to kill them. I put mine down dry. Waiting to find out if anybody has used it with any Success.
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my hubby wants to know if it matters what type of flour you use and do you put it down dry :?
You put it down dry so that the first water seen by the bicarb is in Mickey's or Roland's stomach.
Plain flour is fine since self-raising simply has some bicarb already added (and tartaric acid). Wholemeal flour if you like although the long-term health of the diner should not be foremost in your mind. :wink:
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thx WG :)
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my mouse n rabbit killer .loves a rat for puddings ( biscuit )
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g119/Karl0101/IMG_0006.jpg)
incidently she is 14 yrs old
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The key to it working is that rodents like mice and rats cannot vomit/burp and so the CO2 released in the stomach ruptures it.
The only danger is if like us you have a house rabbit in which case it is not pet friendly at all!!!
Exploding rats and mice doesnt sound too pretty to be honest, makes poison sound humane
Mike
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Hey, Munty, you stole my Silver cat! Unless you stole her double :lol: Mine's the best hunter around, nothing is safe.
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Hey, Munty, you stole my Silver cat! Unless you stole her double :lol: Mine's the best hunter around, nothing is safe.
only time im going for a blooming " organic " alternative .lmao
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She looks like a brilliant creature. We could do with hiring her for a week or two.
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Exploding birds whilst flying doesn't bear thinking about... the cities would be on full terror alert LOL!
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I know I am late for this one but here goes anyway. Always put poisons for rats and mice in tubes open at both ends and secure it to the ground. Then birds, rabbits, cats and dogs,will be safe. By the way last year I saw some blokes selling Seaculls for a fiver each. I bought one and pointing up to the sky he said ,see that fat one up there,he"s yours. So take care which sea cull you blow up, he might be my one. :D :D :D
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If theres rabbits cats or dogs on my allotment I don't want them to be safe! :twisted: :twisted:
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Better to go out with a bang than a whimper, though, innit ?
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This stuff DOES WORK, by the way. I put some down 3 or 4 days ago in an outside shed which I knew to have resident mice. Now it stinks attractively of decaying rodent. The cat has slept for the entire duration & so has not been affected by it. :roll:
Thanks RR for original post
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no its not an old wifes tale
we have found quite by accident (long story) that mice and rats like mars bars and sweets of a simalar nature
we just squash a small piece onto the prong of the trap so they really have to get on to the trap, and heypresto dispached to a chocolate heaven , no better way to go (if you are a mouse that is.)
chrissie b
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the other day discovered a mouse had come in from the sun so got hubby to set the trap , allways got a couple at hand but had no chocky so used a sultana which worked couple hours later there it was brown bread with the sultarna in its mouth , it had its chance i gave it the chance to walk away but the sultana was too much of a treat it think
chrissie b
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We have put EVERYTHING we can think of in our traps - the * ignore them. I've even gone to the lengths of putting bits of date down for a week in advance of putting a trap down, baited with date. They took the date, oh yes, except when it was on the trap. They've definitely learned that traps are fatal.
The only success I have had is with home-made pannetone, and even then I think it is because they hadn't yet learned i.e. it was early in autumn.
On the plus side, they don't seem to eat anything or make any mess - no chewed up boxes or nibbles in cupboards, so I'm not really bothered.
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We have put EVERYTHING we can think of in our traps - the * ignore them.
Have you tried the subject of this thread? Werks for me (as someone once said)
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like i said have you tryed mars bars , just a sall bit sqashed onto the prong thing .
chrissie b
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Won't this harm the birdies if they eat some of the bicarb as i heard they literally explode if eat anything with bicarb in?
I reckon you are thinking of carbide
Yes birds are unable to fart, pass gas, whatever you want to call it. Thus the urban legend about feeding alkaseltzer to seagulls (at least it's an urban legend in Florida). I know dogs can fart, at least mine can put up a cloud, cats too I'm sure.
I've heard rodents can't resist peanut butter, it's like catnip to cats. Last time I had a rodent problem I put out little tubs of peanut butter with rat poison in it, found em all empty but I have to say I also noticed fewer squirrels so unfortunately I think I got a bunch of them too when I didn't mean to. I don't mind rodents but they have this annoying habit of chewing on and through things and I'm not thrilled with the idea of one running over my foot in the dark etc. My dog thinks rats are the greatest thing in the world, he brought me one he caught in the yard last month just like a darned cat..."hey mommy you hungry?" I could almost hear him saying it.
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The key to it working is that rodents like mice and rats cannot vomit/burp and so the CO2 released in the stomach ruptures it.
The only danger is if like us you have a house rabbit in which case it is not pet friendly at all!!!
Exploding rats and mice doesnt sound too pretty to be honest, makes poison sound humane
Mike
Actually from the little I've read rat poison is a nasty way to die too. Been cases of spouses attempting to off the other with rat poison, it's very nasty and painful and if you don't get to the hospital quick you're going to be laying there with your feet in the air just like the rodent.
I never thought about rabbits but they are related to rodents too so I can see it but I sort of doubt your bunny is going to frequent the same places the rodents are. I went outside and cut back the palmettos that they were probably walking on to get in my windows and push past the screen didn't help, the little * was sitting on my curtain rod giving me the mousy finger that night while the dog was losing his mind. I sort of doubt it's an audible POP more like a very bloated rodent that just sort of keels over. I wish the hawks across the street would eat more of their fill but the tree canopy is so heavy on my lot I think they're hunting elsewhere we have a few lakes nearby I think they're fishing and hunting there. I would hate the idea of taking out a raptor getting the damned things.
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We have put EVERYTHING we can think of in our traps - the * ignore them. I've even gone to the lengths of putting bits of date down for a week in advance of putting a trap down, baited with date. They took the date, oh yes, except when it was on the trap. They've definitely learned that traps are fatal.
The only success I have had is with home-made pannetone, and even then I think it is because they hadn't yet learned i.e. it was early in autumn.
On the plus side, they don't seem to eat anything or make any mess - no chewed up boxes or nibbles in cupboards, so I'm not really bothered.
They don't bother me much either, I just don't want one running over my foot in the dark or across the bed when I'm asleep. Not to mention I don't want my furniture trashed and the lamps and other stuff tipped over as my insane terrier engages in his hunting instinct to catch the little *. I very much appreciate my crazy ratter but he wears the fence collar when I think the little * is by the window so the computer and everything else doesn't go crashing to the floor as he roots him out, LOL.