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Title: DD's pea advice
Post by: sonnycbr on February 04, 2010, 20:57
I'm sure I saw a photo a while ago (posted by DD?) of the way he grows his peas, I think with nets on both sides of the rows. Could you point me in the right direction for these pics as I fancy trying it myself this year.
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: DD. on February 04, 2010, 21:20
I sow first and net, but only about 6" off the ground. I use debris netting at this stage, well weighted down to keep the mice off.

I don't faff about with chitting them, transplanting them or starting off in guttering etc. (the quantity would make that impossible), they are just thrown into a shallow trench and left to get on with it. Remember - for each foot in a row of peas, you need at least 15 peas. I grow 36' rows - at least 4 of them and that equates to 2160 plants - I'm not faffing with that quantity!

Only when the peas are a few inches high do the supports and twine appear, the debris netting then moves on to be used elsewhere for brassicas and the like and it's replaced with any old netting sufficient to keep the pigeons off.

First stage:

Photo 1

Then increase the levels of the twine until you get:

Photo 2

and then:

Photo 3

and

Photo 4

Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: Y.E.A.H on February 04, 2010, 21:27
do they have anything to climb up or is it just that string ?
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: DD. on February 04, 2010, 21:30
It's polypropylene twine, actually, salvaged off newpaper bundles when Mrs Digger worked at a newsagents, but a lot of the blokes on our site use the thin green twine with good effect.

Peas are generally not good climbers, they need support.
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: Lenny59 on February 04, 2010, 21:45
Superb DD.....Can you explain a bit more about what you did preparing the soil and also spacings etc  etc...
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: DD. on February 04, 2010, 21:50
Preparation?

Made a trench with a draw hoe, threw the seed in, covered, netted & went home. Honestly!

Pea spacing within the row in theory is as per the photo, but I throw a few more in for good measure.

Spacings between the rows should be as high as the plant grows, but you could get away with a little less.
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: greenhead on February 05, 2010, 09:40
D.D. You appear to be the King of peas-  I am a novice when it comes to peas, I sow them (early onward) Feb or early March but never get much germination usually 1 or 2 in a row.  My soil is heavy clay,  Do peas require plenty of compost or am I too early.  Any tips.  Thanks.
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: DD. on February 05, 2010, 09:49
It may be that your soil is a bit on the heavy side, peas prefer a lighter soil with plenty of humus, but not fertiliser.

You could try forking in a bit of multi-purpose compost to lighten the soil a bit. Personally, I'd also hold back with the sowing until it gets a bit warmer.
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: greenhead on February 05, 2010, 10:37
Thanks DD.  Just one more question - How deep would you sow the seeds.  The packet usually says 2-3".  Thanks
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: bigben on February 05, 2010, 10:39
Very impressive DD - do you have a massive allotment or do you just use a lot of it to grow peas because that looks like a lot of peas!
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: Rangerkris on February 05, 2010, 10:40
you need lots of pea plants to get any great amount we had only a few and got only a few peas. 
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: DD. on February 05, 2010, 11:03
I've got 2 1/2 plots amounting to 800 sq yds.

in 2008 there were 4 x 32' rows of KW peas plus a 20' row of Jaguar, (which I wasn't over inpressed with), plus 3 isolated spots for heritage peas, grown purely for seed.

Total, I guess over 150' of peas.

Last year 6 x 24' rows - about the same.

Oh - then there's the mangetout.

I do admit that they take up a lot of space for the return, coupled with the fact only about half the produce makes it home!
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: lisa80 on February 05, 2010, 14:09
can you help d.d i bought some onward peas from original touch but the instructions are very  confusing   :) when can i put them in and do they need support? many thanks :)
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: DD. on February 05, 2010, 14:29
I'd treat Onward exactly the same as I've done with Kelvedon Wonder.

Sow late March/Early April, net to protect and support in some way of your chosing. (You've seen my way, but there are plenty of others).

Seed & row spacing as previous posts.
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: DD. on February 05, 2010, 14:32
DD do you bother with Feltham first or any overwintering Pea??

Kelvedon best over the summer then ???

No and yes.

(Sorry missed this before).
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: DD. on February 05, 2010, 14:33
Thanks DD.  Just one more question - How deep would you sow the seeds.  The packet usually says 2-3".  Thanks

2" - about right.
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: big matt on February 07, 2010, 18:59
Is it worth starting the peas pots? sorry for silly question its just my first year of growing peas. the type of pea is junos
Many Thanks
Big Matt
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: DD. on February 07, 2010, 19:06
Just bear in mind that you need a lot of peas for a decent return. 15 plants for each foot of row is recommended. For a decent row, that's hundreds of plant and a lot of pots.

But there's nothing stopping you!
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: big matt on February 07, 2010, 19:30
sorry me again can I start them now as it says March on the packet if starting in doors?
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: DD. on February 07, 2010, 19:41
When you say indoors, where do you mean?
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: Yorkie on February 07, 2010, 21:31
It's the first week of Feb.  If the packet says March for indoors then that's at least a month away, surely  ::)
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: Paul Plots on February 07, 2010, 22:59
Just bear in mind that you need a lot of peas for a decent return. 15 plants for each foot of row is recommended. For a decent row, that's hundreds of plant and a lot of pots.

But there's nothing stopping you!

I can't remember how many trays full of paper-pots I grew last year..... it was my first (fib - 2nd) experiment with peas - and it was successful! They were brilliant.

Year before hardly a sausage let alone a pea when I sowed direct into the soil - This year I am sure I will be fed-up making paper pots and try some directly sown as well. Learning by experience!!  ;)
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: DD. on February 08, 2010, 08:04
Well, you know my technique.

Dig a hole, throw a generous handfull in.

It is really worth while trying to source loose pea seed. It's a fraction of the price of the rip off packeted ones and you can afford to sow more thickly to allow for losses. Happily this year I've got stacks of my own seed so it's going to be even cheaper - free!

 It's also worth the time making sure your seeds are well netted and and the nets securely pegged down. I manage to (mostly) keep the mice off that way.

Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: DD. on February 08, 2010, 08:45
Let me quote an example for costs of packet seed versus loose.

There are between 3,000 and 6,000 peas in a kilo. Let's take the middle ground and call it 4,500.

That famous store beginning with "W" sells 300 Kelvedon Wonder seed for 97p.  That would be 15 packets and cost a bit short of 15 for a kilo.

My local nursery sells a kilo loose for 1/3 of that cost.

Even ordering a kilo via post from Moles seeds would only cost 8.30.

I know most people would not want a kilo, (but remember stored properly these would last a few years or you could share), it's quoted by way of showing that it's worth trying to find a local, usually independant, nursery or allotment association, failing that ordering from somewhere like Moles.
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: big matt on February 08, 2010, 09:58
Ye sorry about that it says on the pack outdoors in march :wacko: Can I start them indoors now?
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: monsta on February 08, 2010, 10:27
all my peas failed to grow last year, would this be because of the brand of peas or pests?

the peas where ambassador for johnsons got one plant out of a whole packet.

what would be the best brand to buy? unwins?

cheers
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: DD. on February 08, 2010, 10:55
Ye sorry about that it says on the pack outdoors in march :wacko: Can I start them indoors now?

As I asked before, what do you mean by indoors?
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: DD. on February 08, 2010, 10:57
all my peas failed to grow last year, would this be because of the brand of peas or pests?

the peas where ambassador for johnsons got one plant out of a whole packet.

what would be the best brand to buy? unwins?

cheers

Did they fail to grow, or get eaten as they popped up?

Don't think the supplier will make a lot of difference. A lot come from the same source. I've never had a problem with loose, unbranded from the nursery.
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: monsta on February 08, 2010, 11:13
Quote

Did they fail to grow, or get eaten as they popped up?

Don't think the supplier will make a lot of difference. A lot come from the same source. I've never had a problem with loose, unbranded from the nursery.

fail to grow only one popped up and was savaged by wood pidgeons!  :lol:

what is a good easy to grow variety?

will be trying that method of support!  :D
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: DD. on February 08, 2010, 11:33
Quote

Did they fail to grow, or get eaten as they popped up?

Don't think the supplier will make a lot of difference. A lot come from the same source. I've never had a problem with loose, unbranded from the nursery.

fail to grow only one popped up and was savaged by wood pidgeons!  :lol:

what is a good easy to grow variety?

will be trying that method of support!  :D

I never failed with Kelvedon Wonder.
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: MoreWhisky on March 13, 2010, 12:27
Im doing even more Rows this yr , What spacing do you use between rows as can see they need lots room?

Cheers MW.
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: mumofstig on March 13, 2010, 12:34
They usually say you sow then as far apart as their final height  ::)

But what advice does your packet give?
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: MoreWhisky on March 13, 2010, 12:35
They usually say you sow then as far apart as their final height  ::)

But what advice does your packet give?

I bought them from ALan Romans and there is no advice on the web site for row spacing im afraid
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: MoreWhisky on March 13, 2010, 12:37
I did grow one row last yr and they got to about 4ft tall , so would that mean 2ft either side? i hope so.
Title: Re: DD's peas
Post by: mumofstig on March 13, 2010, 12:48
2ft between rows is for the dwarf peas that grow 2.. 2ft6in tall..if yours grow to 4ft IMO they would need to be farther apart.